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Algernon Moncrieff

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Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:46 PM Aug 2014

Is it time for MLB to end the Pete Rose exile? [View all]

ESPN: Pete Rose: 25 Years in Exile


PETE ROSE LIVES PRECISELY 1.2 miles from the Mandalay Bay Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, so it takes him just six minutes to drive to his de facto office in a mall music store attached to the hotel. The gap between his glorious past and his ignominious present is more challenging to navigate. Five decades ago, he built a reputation as a hardscrabble Cincinnati kid who would walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play ball. Now he's a 73-year-old baseball persona non grata who dresses in designer sweats and spends his days signing, smiling and schmoozing to make a living.

The items are pricey at "The Art of Music!" store where Rose wields a smile and a pen, but folks get an added-value dose of banter with their $399 signed jerseys and $199 bats. And if they're lucky and on the lookout here in Vegas, fans can interact with Pete at the breakfast table as well as the signing table. One morning during spring training, as Rose is immersed in a plate of egg whites, tomatoes and crispy bacon at a hotel restaurant, a waitress passes him a note from another diner. The hash brown grease on the paper doesn't obscure the sentiment:

Pete,

We're Cincy west-siders and we hope some day soon MLB wakes up [and] realizes how much you're needed in the sport! We appreciate all you've done.

Thanks!

2 Reds Fans


That's a common sentiment expressed by heartland folks who consider Rose a baseball hero and think he has done the requisite penance for his mistakes to warrant a second chance. Other observers are more conflicted and discern shades of black or very dark gray in his portrayal, along with shortcomings that can't be dismissed with yet another mea culpa. In January, former commissioner Fay Vincent opined in a Treasure Coast Newspapers editorial that Rose should be forever excluded from Cooperstown because he committed the "one capital crime" that is "well absorbed into the baseball DNA."

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7 (37%)
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12 (63%)
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Is it time for MLB to end the Pete Rose exile? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP
Yeah I feel it is time to forgive. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1
Worse people are in the Hall of Fame. Tobin S. Aug 2014 #2
I think that sometimes gets lost in this discussion Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #6
The very first inductee, Ty Cobb was one of the most horrible human beings who ever lived CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #13
Your story is inaccurate. Both in terms of the ethnicity of the heckler and his not having arms. JVS Aug 2014 #18
Think about the Ron Artest dustup Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #27
He was suspended for a while but the suspension placed on him was considered so odious... JVS Aug 2014 #28
To not have the all-time hits leader not in the hall of fame is just ludicrous rurallib Aug 2014 #3
At some point, there is going to be an "Asterisk Hall" Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #7
I'm ignorant here so help me out. Didn't he get in hot water because he bet on his own team? BlueJazz Aug 2014 #4
More specifically, he bet on games while he was a baseball MANAGER. DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #5
Very well stated Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8
"one is in a bigger position to influence the outcome of a game" BlueJazz Aug 2014 #10
+1 JVS Aug 2014 #19
Yes. He bet on his team to win. it's not like he was up in a luxury box knocking down Scotch mulsh Aug 2014 #9
I know an owner of a football team, they are not allowed to bet on anything at all The Second Stone Aug 2014 #23
Yes, he bet on his own team... Chan790 Aug 2014 #25
Did they ever prove he bet on his team to lose? IIRC they did not jmowreader Aug 2014 #11
Suppose you are a fan of the DU Senators and I'm the manager JVS Aug 2014 #20
Nicely explained. Frank Cannon Aug 2014 #22
Good examples The Second Stone Aug 2014 #24
yes nt michreject Aug 2014 #12
hell to the yeahs KG Aug 2014 #14
No. Fuck him. JVS Aug 2014 #15
Pretty much depends on how one feels about rules. malthaussen Aug 2014 #16
Long past time. Iggo Aug 2014 #17
Baseball used to be incredibly strict about gambling SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #21
Yep. hifiguy Aug 2014 #26
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