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freshwest

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8. Read it all, and am going to read the other articles there. Interesting perspectives. Re: the GOP:
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:35 PM
Dec 2013

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Thom Hartmann performs an Exorcism on the GOP - Really!

Uploaded on Jun 29, 2011

Proof that Bush & Republicans have gone to the Dark Side with the Devil stars.

to DUer Thom Hartmann.


I've usually posted that video as a parody. The best of that genre often speaks of things that others refuse to discuss. When speaking to people in that part of their mind where religion or the concepts of good and evil is engrained in them, at times that is the only way. I push more toward cause and effect, and the benefits from negative actions.

As your linked article states, there are reasons. I've been told before that in that mindset, when planning to do something harmful to another is required. That agreement with lack of discernment or awareness, not looking deeper into things, means you are considered lawful prey.

And that one only has to telegraph, by saying things that are the exact opposite of one's actions, to get the universe's approval for wrongdoing. Think of terms in the way the GOP uses them, calling taking food and money from the poor, disabled and elderly, a 'reform.'

The word 'reform' to most people means something will be better for all and innovation, not starving and killing people. Their plans to privatize social security and other programs because they say that 'government is evil and ungodly', is outright theft for the greedy. it is not an improvement. This was refuted very well in the OP's linked article.

A discerning person looks to the effect of the proposed action or searches their own heart, using the Golden Rule, or feeling love and empathy for others generally. But if a distracted, brainwashed or uncaring person mindlessly chants what they hear with only their own selfish or low level feelings engaged and fails to think or feel compassion, that is construed as agreement.

Thus the use of dramatic words and music, slogans, and repetition in media is used to sway them from the inclusive views liberals believe in, and the long term good of all, not short term gain or more honestly called, theft, and maintaing a living environment. Then any sort of evil action can be done, robbery, torture, mayhem, bigotry, war and murder -- without blame. After all, no one thought ahead and objected. That's what we face in this electorate.

Biblically, Satan plays the role of the hater and destroyer of ALL life. We see the GOP's parody of loving life with the unborn, but not the mother or the child when it is born. At that point, it is deemed worthless by their social policy. They call Democrats godless baby killers, yet the long term policy of Democrats following the social democratic route, leads to less death and less abortion.

But this method works for the selfish, the hateful, the spiritually shallow or those in love with their own comfort. Does this not fit the GOP voter?

Here are Thom Hartmann's political views from the Wikipedia page:

Political views[edit]


Hartmann is considered to have progressive/liberal politics (although he describes himself as part of the radical middle).[33] He is the author of numerous books including Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights, in which he argues that the 1886 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company (118 U.S. 394) did not actually grant corporate personhood, and that this doctrine derives from a mistaken interpretation of a Supreme Court clerk's notes. Hartmann considers this a clear contradiction of the intent of the Founding Fathers of the United States.[34] He has also written on the separation of church and state, drawing upon the Federalist Papers to argue that the Founding Fathers warned against the notion of the United States being a Christian nation. He contends that the 2000 American election and 2004 American election were stolen through electronic tampering, denial of the voting franchise by rigged voting lists, and limiting availability of voting machines in selected precincts. He also accuses the Bush administration of eroding democracy and individual freedoms.

Hartmann is also a vocal critic of the effects of neoliberal globalization on the U.S. economy, claiming that economic policies enacted during and since the presidency of Ronald Reagan have led, in large part, to many American industrial enterprises' being acquired by multinational firms based in overseas countries, leading in many cases to manufacturing jobs' – once considered a major foundation of the U.S. economy – being relocated to countries in Asia and other areas where the costs of labor are lower than in the U.S.; and the concurrent reversal of the United States' traditional role of a leading exporter of finished manufactured goods to that of a primary importer of finished manufactured goods (exemplified by massive trade deficits with countries such as China). Hartmann argues that this phenomenon is leading to the erosion of the American middle class, whose survival Hartmann deems critical to the survival of American democracy. This argument is expressed in Hartmann's 2006 book, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against The Middle Class and What We Can Do About It. One of the book's main arguments is that media deregulation leads to corporate media's shifting the American consensus towards the acceptance of privatization and massive corporate profits – which causes the shrinking of the middle class.

In the book Ultimate Sacrifice, he and co-author Lamar Waldron argue that President John F. Kennedy's assassination resulted from a conspiracy by two Mafia godfathers (Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante, Jr.) who took advantage of a proposed 1963 USA-sponsored coup against Cuba's Fidel Castro to kill the President and then hide their tracks in the resulting cover-up of the top-secret coup plans. Gore Vidal, in his autobiography Point To Point Navigation devotes much of the final two chapters of his book to praising Hartmann's and Lamar Waldron's scholarship in "solving" the JFK case (JFK was a friend of Vidal's).

In a 2013 interview with Politico, Hartmann described his political philosophy as democratic socialism: “I’ve lived in Europe. I think that the countries that call themselves democratic socialist — Germany, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland — have the most functional political and economic system. So, somebody says, what’s your political philosophy? I’d say Democratic socialism. But boy, the crap you take when you say socialist. Because people don’t understand it. They think I’m talking about Soviet-style socialism, which I’m not.”[35]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann#Political_views

I agree with the majority of that. I've always been a social democrat, and at one type worked and succeeded in my district for socialists. That was from reading the New Testament, as it seemed to the modern version of how early Christians were described to live in communities. Some communist slogans come directly from that part of the Bible.

I've never been a religious fanatic, but see it can be part of a social framework to do things for life, saving people, animals, plants, marine life and the air and water intact for future generations. No one seems to care about this anymore, they are interested in the market, thus money and commodifying all living things to mean no more than dead things, and the condition does not matter, so long as money is made in satanic mathematics.

LeVey said in a television, IIRC, 'I give you Ayn Rand with trappings.' Rand was a drug addicted sociopath, who did not care for anyone living but herself and her own wants. She advocated their being used as nothing but machines and discarded.

Surely this is wrong, just as the Nazis gathered the belongings and weighed and measured them for sale, of those they sent to die in camps. If I want addle pated reasoning, I'm sure someone in the middle of DT's could provide just as good and useful of a philosophy.

Those who find nuggets of truth in her writings deny their own advantages from a social democracy that she wanted to destroy but used when she needed it. She was the ultimate parasite on society.

I believe the Democratic Party, or people like Bernie Sanders who votes with the Democratic Party to get things done, is the only way to achieve what I feel needs to be done.

People die waiting for socialism of the classic variety, while the mixed kind in Europe has yielded great results for individuals just as such policies here have. Misinformation and conflation about socialism and social democracy is a lie created by the business class in this nation to do things that are despicable.


Too long a read, but good points. DetlefK Dec 2013 #1
Yep, too long to read for me too Jessy169 Dec 2013 #3
that was a most excellent read! thanks for sharing n/t NMDemDist2 Dec 2013 #2
UR most welcome! Jessy169 Dec 2013 #4
very interesting, and worthwhile, reading. niyad Dec 2013 #5
I'm Paul Ryan... alterfurz Dec 2013 #6
Ah, thanks, that corrects my IIRC. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #22
and IIRC, it was in the Reagan era when the GOP re-oriented their logo stars... alterfurz Dec 2013 #24
IDK... I've tried to ignore 'em until it became impossible. Like Stephon King's Langoliers... freshwest Dec 2013 #28
Please do not defame Satanists by calling them Republicans. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #7
+1 MNBrewer Dec 2013 #10
Read it all, and am going to read the other articles there. Interesting perspectives. Re: the GOP: freshwest Dec 2013 #8
Unrestrained capitalism destroys life, as does unrestrained Republicanism Jessy169 Dec 2013 #15
Agreed, and those of other parties that chant their mantras are too. A view that leads to death: freshwest Dec 2013 #19
Watch out! Be careful! Jessy169 Dec 2013 #21
Correcting the LeVey quote: freshwest Dec 2013 #23
Oh snap cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #9
Actually are . . Richard D Dec 2013 #11
Bah, why would you insult good Satanists that way? n/t malthaussen Dec 2013 #12
My favorite part: Jessy169 Dec 2013 #13
read that a short while ago... magical thyme Dec 2013 #14
You must be referring to Jessy169 Dec 2013 #18
Yup. nt magical thyme Dec 2013 #26
Exactly I have used the same thesis for several years. gordianot Dec 2013 #16
good read..thanks for posting madrchsod Dec 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author ewagner Dec 2013 #20
Does this mean we can replace "just like Hitler" with "devil worshipper"? Scuba Dec 2013 #25
Hope for a better new year polynomial Dec 2013 #27
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