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BootinUp

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Fri Mar 15, 2024, 07:28 AM Mar 15

The TikTok Problem Is Not What You Think [View all]

Matt Stoller at BIG writes

There are many reasons members agreed to support this legislation, and there are open questions about what will happen in the Senate, and then what happens in the marketplace if this bill gets signed into law. There are also many objections, such as the claim that this legislation is an abridgment of free speech, that it’s xenophobic, that it will jeopardize the hard work of creators or businesses who depend on TikTok, or that addressing TikTok ownership shouldn’t happen because we haven’t passed basic privacy protections or regulated social media in any significant way.

While I support the bill, and find most of these objections lacking in credibility, there is some legitimacy to the skepticism, which I’ll get into. But what I want to offer is some basic framing, which is that this legislation has to be understood not as a substitute to a broader movement for reform of social media and privacy, but as part of it. And there are two basic points here. The first is while it’s true that Congress hasn’t passed a ‘comprehensive Federal privacy law,’ it’s also true the Biden administration is orchestrating a remarkable revolution in privacy protections by resurrecting old legal tools. There are reasons you haven’t heard of this revolution that have to do with the incentives of privacy scholars, but the litigation here is fierce and deeply bitter. The second is those who say ‘we can’t even regulate social media and now you want to divest TikTok’s ownership!’ have it 180 degrees backwards. Being able to address Chinese ownership of one video sharing platform is part of the movement to reform all platforms.

Ok, let’s dive in.

Biden Rewrites the Rules of the Internet
Two months ago, the Network Advertising Initiative (NAI), an advertising trade association composed of data brokers and tech giants like Google and Adobe, announced it was developing new industry standards for corporations who “collect and process sensitive consumer location data.” It might have seemed like a one off, except that major law firms were also sending out alerts and information to clients telling them to just stop using certain location data to target individuals. It turns out, people really don’t like it when corporations, or employers, abusers, etc know when they go to the doctor, church, a political rally, a gay bar, and so forth. And the industry of data brokers was listening.

Why? Well it’s because of a little noticed but pivotal legal change in enforcement by the Federal Trade Commission in a series of privacy cases. Traditionally, brokers could do anything they wanted with your data (with a few exceptions), as long as they disclosed they were doing it. So usually there was some long web form that you’d click on, and that’s it, your data is now their data. That’s the ‘notice and consent’ framework. The FTC brought cases, but these were under the framework of deception, not using your sensitive data but lying to you about it. Brokers could also fix this situation with another impenetrable click-through screen you wouldn’t notice. But in August of 2022, the commission brought a different kind of case, against a data broker called Kochava, arguing that collecting and using certain kinds of data, whether that was disclosed or not, was unfair. It was a novel legal claim, and it wasn’t clear if a judge would ratify it.


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From what I'm reading............................ Lovie777 Mar 15 #1
Its a nice illusion. nt BootinUp Mar 15 #2
Which arm of the USA? mzmolly Mar 15 #12
Great discussion of the background. cachukis Mar 15 #3
Why now? Republicans want to buy the platform youth uses. 58Sunliner Mar 15 #4
I believe it's just part of *rumps' reelection campaign which he started in 2020 Uncle Joe Mar 16 #72
He flipped because they are trying to buy it. 58Sunliner Mar 16 #73
I'm under the impression that Tic or Tix Tok will not fall into the................... Lovie777 Mar 15 #5
Steve Mnuchin is putting together a group to buy it. So there is every possibility that it will. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #7
Where are the links related to all this part about Mnuchin? No one's posting them. ancianita Mar 15 #38
Yesterday: Ponietz Mar 15 #63
I see. Thank you. ancianita Mar 15 #68
Here's where he lost me: Scrivener7 Mar 15 #6
We will have to disagree. nt BootinUp Mar 15 #9
Why would you think this... ancianita Mar 15 #10
They aren't going to use this as a "domestic distraction." This is a right wing attempt to take over social media. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #15
The current situation on Facebook and Instragram/Threads BootinUp Mar 15 #19
If it gives Tik Tok to MAGA, yes this is really so wrong. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #21
Maybe not. Who knows the mind of the billionaire class but through their actions both seen and reported. ancianita Mar 15 #28
He has sent you checks for stealth uses of facial recognition gathering and sales. He sent you checks for that. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #32
I hear you. But you need to hear that it COST Zuckerberg. The government you fault will ancianita Mar 15 #37
And again. I guarantee the cost compared to the revenue was miniscule. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #43
About this... Neither do you know that they do. Why do you think the Biden FTC's tackling this at all. So we DO know. ancianita Mar 15 #41
Oh, Lord. Have a nice day. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #44
lol you, too ancianita Mar 15 #62
I fully agree with you. mzmolly Mar 15 #13
An excellent analysis that underscores just how brilliant Joe Biden's administration is, and how media ancianita Mar 15 #8
Then the Biden administration should tackle all of the issues mzmolly Mar 15 #14
I think, while you don't have a fully cooperative legislative branch, you can ONLY do it piecemeal. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #16
Then don't do it now. mzmolly Mar 15 #47
I disagree with that. Getting any control over this, if that's even possible, will take years if not decades. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #49
That'll sell well. Just like "defund police" - mzmolly Mar 15 #50
I never said I was for banning tiktok, and I'm not for it. Not sure where you got that. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #52
Pardon my reactionary misunderstanding. mzmolly Mar 15 #58
No worries! Scrivener7 Mar 15 #64
Making the perfect the enemy of the good? First things first: build legal precedent. That's not a piecemeal ancianita Mar 15 #20
Then why aren't they tackling election machines / software first? redqueen Mar 15 #27
I thought the elections machines' viability had been tested in the courts? Do you have links to back up what you ancianita Mar 15 #36
It's not good without considering the outcome. mzmolly Mar 15 #48
Let's deal with it after Biden is reelected & on a more comprehensive level. mzmolly Mar 15 #11
It will be for moniss Mar 15 #18
When I look at Tik Tok moniss Mar 15 #17
And the Cambridge Analytica crap happened because Zuckerberg made it happen in his fully US owned company Scrivener7 Mar 15 #22
With zero calls to ban it. redqueen Mar 15 #25
Lots of folks here were quite sneery when concerns were raised. They insisted there was nothing wrong Scrivener7 Mar 15 #29
Ugh. Glad I wasn't here to see that. redqueen Mar 15 #31
And installed a team in Trump Tower to help Cambridge Analytica identify likely targets to apply psy ops to to get them Scrivener7 Mar 15 #34
What makes you think that will not happen mzmolly Mar 15 #51
Doesn't the Chinese government control the TikTok algorithms? dlk Mar 15 #23
And Musk controls the X algorithms, and Zuckerberg, who gave Facebook over to Jared to use as his Scrivener7 Mar 15 #26
Facebook's algorithms aren't near as bad anymore. Elessar Zappa Mar 15 #33
Are you sure about that? What makes you think so? Scrivener7 Mar 15 #35
Just personal experience and what I've read. Elessar Zappa Mar 15 #54
That just means they have identified you as a non-productive target for the right wing. Scrivener7 Mar 15 #56
They are all worse and need comprehensive legislation SouthernDem4ever Mar 15 #39
I wouldn't care. I hate social media, for all these reasons, and don't use any but DU. But I don't think anyone Scrivener7 Mar 15 #45
You may be right that's it's a catch22 SouthernDem4ever Mar 15 #46
The big problem with the algorithms is that the user is the product to be monetized dlk Mar 15 #53
I used to say if you use social media, you have to be aware that is happening and that you are agreeing Scrivener7 Mar 15 #55
there is no evidence that the chinese government 'controls the algorithm' of tik tok. Voltaire2 Mar 15 #65
Controls the data... dlk Mar 15 #67
two different things but not the data either. Voltaire2 Mar 15 #69
I am disgusted that this issue is being treated seriously while our election system is still vulnerable redqueen Mar 15 #24
I greatly admire your passion. BootinUp Mar 15 #30
What makes you think the election system security isn't being dealt with? SouthernDem4ever Mar 15 #40
Thread on GD has other articles redqueen Mar 15 #57
K & R bookmarking FakeNoose Mar 15 #42
I don't use Tik-Toc, X, Facebook, but I am interested in what happens with DU. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 15 #59
I refuse to accept this argument that we BootinUp Mar 15 #60
Trump is the bigger danger to our collective mzmolly Mar 15 #61
I believe this is a situation where we take BootinUp Mar 15 #66
Argument? It's a real concern. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 15 #70
Not sure I follow what you mean. BootinUp Mar 15 #71
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