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Uncle Joe

(58,480 posts)
65. Why do you believe only one side uses humans to shield themselves?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:55 PM
Dec 2023


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In December 1947, immediately following the UN partition vote, the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine broke out between the Yishuv and Palestinian Arabs. The Irgun fought together with the Haganah and Lehi during that period. Notable operations in which they took part were the battle of Jaffa and the Jordanian siege on the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Irgun's most controversial operation during this period, carried out alongside Lehi, was an assault on the Arab village of Deir Yassin in which more than a hundred villagers and four of the attackers were killed. The event later became known as the Deir Yassin massacre, though Irgun and Lehi sources would deny a massacre took place there. Begin also repeatedly threatened to declare independence if the Jewish Agency did not do so.[20]

Throughout the period of the rebellion against the British and the civil war against the Arabs, Begin lived openly under a series of assumed names, often while sporting a beard. Begin would not come out of hiding until April 1948, when the British, who still maintained nominal authority over Palestine, were almost totally gone. During the period of revolt, Begin was the most wanted man in Palestine, and MI5 placed a 'dead-or-alive' bounty of £10,000 on his head. Begin had been forced into hiding immediately prior to the declaration of revolt, when Aliza noticed that their house was being watched. He initially lived in a room in the Savoy Hotel, a small hotel in Tel Aviv whose owner was sympathetic to the Irgun's cause, and his wife and son were smuggled in to join him after two months. He decided to grow a beard and live openly under an assumed name rather than go completely into hiding. He was aided by the fact that the British authorities possessed only two photographs of his likeness, of which one, which they believed to be his military identity card, bore only a slight resemblance to him, according to Begin, and were fed misinformation by Yaakov Meridor that he had had plastic surgery, and were thus confused over his appearance. Due to the British police conducting searches in the hotel's vicinity, he relocated to a Yemenite neighborhood in Petah Tikva, and after a month, moved to the Hasidof neighborhood near Kfar Sirkin, where he pretended to be a lawyer named Yisrael Halperin. After the British searched the area but missed the street where his house was located, Begin and his family moved to a new home on a Tel Aviv side street, where he assumed the name Yisrael Sassover and masqueraded as a rabbi. Following the King David Hotel bombing, when the British searched the entire city of Tel Aviv, Begin evaded capture by hiding in a secret compartment in his home.[20] In 1947, he moved to the heart of Tel Aviv and took the identity of Dr. Yonah Koenigshoffer, the name he found on an abandoned passport in a library.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin#:~:text=As%20head%20of%20the%20Irgun,of%20the%20notorious%20terrorist%20organisation%22.



This is the MO of guerrilla war.

They hide among civilians because they don't have a standard military force to compete against an occupying power.
Bombing in the south too? How do you bomb where you told people to go? brush Dec 2023 #1
That's the price for cease fire. It didn't come free of cost. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #2
Can you for once show some empathy towards innocent Palestinians? brush Dec 2023 #3
What do you think I am doing? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #7
How many do you need? The IDF/Bibi/Likud gets no scorn from you... brush Dec 2023 #10
That's absurd. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #13
You pay attention. It's over-retaliation, and conseqences will happen once it's over. brush Dec 2023 #14
Well, that's refreshing! Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #15
I've never denied it. You haven't been paying attention. I've always made it clear... brush Dec 2023 #19
What do you call this, then? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #24
You apparently can't comprehend English. I clearly say that Hamas as well as... brush Dec 2023 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author The Magistrate Dec 2023 #29
You're kinda late to the party. My stance on this has always been one of impartialiy. brush Dec 2023 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author The Magistrate Dec 2023 #31
That Is Fair Enough, Sir, And I Apologize The Magistrate Dec 2023 #32
And that's what I am trying, apparently in vain, to demonstrate to you. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #35
Still not comprehending. Israel has a duty to retaliate, not over-retaliate. brush Dec 2023 #36
I see the difference more clearly than you would ever give me credit for. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #38
Try your bullshit trick question on someone just off the turnip truck. brush Dec 2023 #39
I just did. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #53
I don't have time for you anymore, and Eko handled your bullshit quite well. brush Dec 2023 #57
A euphamism for you having no answers for me. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #59
I got bored with your inhumane lack of empathy for non-combatants being killed. Eko, however, wiped the floor with you. brush Dec 2023 #60
That's not a very passionate statement, is it? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #61
Heehee. He owned you. brush Dec 2023 #62
They dont get to have an opinion here? And you do? Eko Dec 2023 #42
Neither one of us does. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #46
You say niether one of us does Eko Dec 2023 #47
"Neither of us does" refers to who gets to decide what the difference between retaliation and over-reraliation. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #54
Here is a question. Eko Dec 2023 #48
Because the avatar of Einstein sticking his tongue out has already been taken, and I couldn't find Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #55
Tell that to Gurney Halleck Eko Dec 2023 #72
How do you know that? Eko Dec 2023 #6
Would they go north to Israel? Or would they remain in Gaza until they are blown out of their tunnels? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #8
Ah, so you are just saying what you think. Eko Dec 2023 #9
Ever read Conan Doyle? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #12
Yeah, it's a fictional book. Eko Dec 2023 #16
A method of deduction is being used in most studies that are based on presumption of rationality. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #20
I have to ask you Eko Dec 2023 #26
My doubts were about your use of rational thinking, not hamas. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #33
Are you claiming that observations are not previous knowledge? Eko Dec 2023 #37
Yes I am. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #41
Observation is the present form of it. Eko Dec 2023 #43
Good catch. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #52
And just to point it out Eko Dec 2023 #17
Sure, add that to the list. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #21
You should never go to where your enemy expects you to. Eko Dec 2023 #23
This is not deductive reasoning. it's just the opposite Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #25
I never called it deductive reasoning. Eko Dec 2023 #27
I had an impression, apparently a false one, that you responded to my post in which I challenged you to use Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #34
You didnt challenge me at all. Eko Dec 2023 #40
That's not a challenge? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #44
No it was a statement, everyone knows a question is followed by this ? Eko Dec 2023 #45
Apparently they are still very much up in the north. Eko Dec 2023 #73
This article refers to an undated report. In the excerpt you posted, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #74
The ceasefire started Nov 24th. Eko Dec 2023 #75
Ok, so they took their time Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #76
Or they decided not to go where the enemy expected them to. Eko Dec 2023 #77
More like they decided not to run where enemy expected them to go. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #78
To "Run" is a form of "Go". Eko Dec 2023 #79
There you go again, splitting hairs. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #80
Huh, I looked at it as more a conversation Eko Dec 2023 #81
You start by mentally or emotionally disconnecting your humanity by Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #4
Good points. Hamas and Bibi/Likud/IDF, all complicit/at fault...however you want fo phrase it. brush Dec 2023 #5
Who do you think is doing the devaluing, those who use civilians as human shields, or Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #11
No, "human shield" doesn't denote any humanity of the victims, Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #18
What term would you prefer that would more accurately denote the humanity of the victims? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #22
How about civilians? That's seems to work well in International Law n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #49
This doesn't begin to describe the condition of civilians who are Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #50
That's precisely the case of every civilian trapped by the insanity of war. Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #56
Interesting perspective Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #58
Civilians are human, shields are not, Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #63
OK then, civilians. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #64
Why do you believe only one side uses humans to shield themselves? Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #65
Who besides Hamas is using human shields... sorry, using humans as shields? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #66
Currently Hamas in Gaza, and Israel at its' founding. Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #67
So we are not talking about Gaza anymore. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #68
Sure there is, what do you think the IDF is doing in aiding and abetting illegal settlements in the West Bank? Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #69
AAAAnd, now we are deflecting to the West Bank! Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #70
It's all part of the same package. Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #71
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