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In reply to the discussion: Fresh strike on Jabaliya refugee camp reported as Israel intensifies attacks on Gaza [View all]Uncle Joe
(58,480 posts)65. Why do you believe only one side uses humans to shield themselves?
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In December 1947, immediately following the UN partition vote, the 19471948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine broke out between the Yishuv and Palestinian Arabs. The Irgun fought together with the Haganah and Lehi during that period. Notable operations in which they took part were the battle of Jaffa and the Jordanian siege on the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Irgun's most controversial operation during this period, carried out alongside Lehi, was an assault on the Arab village of Deir Yassin in which more than a hundred villagers and four of the attackers were killed. The event later became known as the Deir Yassin massacre, though Irgun and Lehi sources would deny a massacre took place there. Begin also repeatedly threatened to declare independence if the Jewish Agency did not do so.[20]
Throughout the period of the rebellion against the British and the civil war against the Arabs, Begin lived openly under a series of assumed names, often while sporting a beard. Begin would not come out of hiding until April 1948, when the British, who still maintained nominal authority over Palestine, were almost totally gone. During the period of revolt, Begin was the most wanted man in Palestine, and MI5 placed a 'dead-or-alive' bounty of £10,000 on his head. Begin had been forced into hiding immediately prior to the declaration of revolt, when Aliza noticed that their house was being watched. He initially lived in a room in the Savoy Hotel, a small hotel in Tel Aviv whose owner was sympathetic to the Irgun's cause, and his wife and son were smuggled in to join him after two months. He decided to grow a beard and live openly under an assumed name rather than go completely into hiding. He was aided by the fact that the British authorities possessed only two photographs of his likeness, of which one, which they believed to be his military identity card, bore only a slight resemblance to him, according to Begin, and were fed misinformation by Yaakov Meridor that he had had plastic surgery, and were thus confused over his appearance. Due to the British police conducting searches in the hotel's vicinity, he relocated to a Yemenite neighborhood in Petah Tikva, and after a month, moved to the Hasidof neighborhood near Kfar Sirkin, where he pretended to be a lawyer named Yisrael Halperin. After the British searched the area but missed the street where his house was located, Begin and his family moved to a new home on a Tel Aviv side street, where he assumed the name Yisrael Sassover and masqueraded as a rabbi. Following the King David Hotel bombing, when the British searched the entire city of Tel Aviv, Begin evaded capture by hiding in a secret compartment in his home.[20] In 1947, he moved to the heart of Tel Aviv and took the identity of Dr. Yonah Koenigshoffer, the name he found on an abandoned passport in a library.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin#:~:text=As%20head%20of%20the%20Irgun,of%20the%20notorious%20terrorist%20organisation%22.
This is the MO of guerrilla war.
They hide among civilians because they don't have a standard military force to compete against an occupying power.
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Fresh strike on Jabaliya refugee camp reported as Israel intensifies attacks on Gaza [View all]
Uncle Joe
Dec 2023
OP
You pay attention. It's over-retaliation, and conseqences will happen once it's over.
brush
Dec 2023
#14
I've never denied it. You haven't been paying attention. I've always made it clear...
brush
Dec 2023
#19
You're kinda late to the party. My stance on this has always been one of impartialiy.
brush
Dec 2023
#30
I got bored with your inhumane lack of empathy for non-combatants being killed. Eko, however, wiped the floor with you.
brush
Dec 2023
#60
"Neither of us does" refers to who gets to decide what the difference between retaliation and over-reraliation.
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#54
Because the avatar of Einstein sticking his tongue out has already been taken, and I couldn't find
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#55
Would they go north to Israel? Or would they remain in Gaza until they are blown out of their tunnels?
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#8
A method of deduction is being used in most studies that are based on presumption of rationality.
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#20
I had an impression, apparently a false one, that you responded to my post in which I challenged you to use
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#34
Good points. Hamas and Bibi/Likud/IDF, all complicit/at fault...however you want fo phrase it.
brush
Dec 2023
#5
Who do you think is doing the devaluing, those who use civilians as human shields, or
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#11
What term would you prefer that would more accurately denote the humanity of the victims?
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#22
Who besides Hamas is using human shields... sorry, using humans as shields?
Beastly Boy
Dec 2023
#66