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Ms. Toad

(34,117 posts)
118. It isn't really an option, if you can guarantee your health.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 12:35 PM
Oct 2023

MA plans can be swapped annually. You can also add them if you start out with none (but only during open enrollment - so if you get a catastrophic illness in January you'll be stuck with that 20% expenses for most of a year before you can get on a plan. So if you're going with MA, at least get a cheap/free one when it becomes available to make sure you have something to fill in the 20% (it is 80% coverage).

My spouse didn't sign up for a Medigap plan until she was 70 because she was covered on my plan. So she was entitled to guaranteed issue (they can't deny her) at the community rates (no physical to decide how much to charge her).

I don't recommend going with MA - for the first reason you mentioned. Generally, when people think about switching from MA plans to Medigap plans is when the expenses get too high on MA (because you have a chronic or expensive illness, and are hitting the out of pocket maximum each year). The problem is that you may fail the physical (and not be able to get a plan at all) - AND - even if yoyu can get a plan it will be much more expensive because they can base the charge on your current health (and even if you get better it will be high for the rest of your life).

It even gets a bit more complicated - because once you get into the Medigap plans you can't change to a different one without a physical (and potentially higher charges). So the choice really is whether at any point before you die you will need a Medigap plan - and if so, you need to choose the one you will ultimately need now.

MA plans have three distinct disadvantages: limited networks, potentially high out of pocket maximums, and lots of gatekeeping that delay or deny care.

If you ever have a rare condition, it helps to be able to go to the people who specialize in those diseases. I have a sarcoma (rare, aggressive cancer) - the best place is in Texas. It is an aggressive enough cancer that time is of the essence, and there's not a lot of data for some of the potentially valuable plans.

Limited networks: Most MA plans would not allow me to go to Texas, since I live in Ohio - and the network would be limited to Ohio. On my Medigap plan I can go anywhere in the US and have some coverage outside of the US. (And that's just the out-of-state restrictions. Even within the state, my network might not have covered the Cleveland Clinic, where I get my care.)

Potentially high out of pocket maximums: So far my sarcoma isn't very costly - but some people have millions of dollars of expenses each year. Even the best MA plans have an out-of-pocket max that you have to pay before the money drain stops for the year. And then it starts again the next year. Insurance plans are built on the premise that big expenses don't come along very often - so you can manage up to $8000 in a single year. But when your expenses are high enough that you hit $8000 every year it is not really sustainable. There are plans with lower caps - but other coverage may not be as good. And with a chronic illness it is an every year expense.

Gatekeeping: Medicare/Medigap cover expenses largely without question or pre-approvals. So when I needed an MRI before surgery I was able to get it immediately. On MA I would have had to have pre-approval adding a potentially deadly delay (even if it was approved). If it was denied, and I had to appeal to get it it would have been months (even more likely to be deadly).

My daughter is a home-care RN case manager Freddie Oct 2023 #1
I suspect many folks were duped into signing up. dalton99a Oct 2023 #69
Traditional Medicare has tight limits on physical therapy too. Silent Type Oct 2023 #82
The problem is the network limitation dalton99a Oct 2023 #85
And traditional Medicare is good if you have $250 to $400 a month for Silent Type Oct 2023 #101
Medicare Part C was actually created in 1997 MichMan Oct 2023 #2
Thanks for posting. Folks forget this was started under Clinton. Silent Type Oct 2023 #14
Yeah, I thought it was before W Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #34
While it is true that they are required to offer at least the save coverage, Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #66
It seems "offer" and "provide" are different things in this case. CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #71
Yep. dalton99a Oct 2023 #73
I told all of you last month that Medicare Advantage plans will eventually deny care Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #3
We need National Health Care for all. MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #4
Why bother having insurance at all? lostnfound Oct 2023 #6
Not lucky. I made a choice. MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #7
Catch is Medicare Advantage is permanent IbogaProject Oct 2023 #26
In Michigan DownriverDem Oct 2023 #49
But I think you have to pay back supplemental premiums IbogaProject Oct 2023 #53
I pay $0 DownriverDem Oct 2023 #59
You'd have to pay back premiums to return to traditional medicare IbogaProject Oct 2023 #64
Maybe but DownriverDem Oct 2023 #68
You don't pay anything at all?? moose65 Oct 2023 #79
if it is zero for you, it means someone else is paying for it Skittles Oct 2023 #119
It can vary some by state, Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #76
Tell me about the hairdresser paying to... ret5hd Oct 2023 #8
They accept Medicare and probably some accept Advantage also. MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #10
I am not an expert on the subject... ret5hd Oct 2023 #16
Not free because of the MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #35
If you Rebl2 Oct 2023 #61
Part B comes out of one's monthly Social Security benefit Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #43
A is free Rebl2 Oct 2023 #47
I have a question for you moose65 Oct 2023 #28
I am not on the government Medicare Plan. MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #42
Are you sure it doesn't come out of your SS check? moose65 Oct 2023 #54
My understanding is the same, as far as the part B premium goes. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #107
I'd say, do yourself a favor and *don't* attend a dog-and-pony show at a local restaurant. Mister Ed Oct 2023 #74
People are not aware of the commissions involved dalton99a Oct 2023 #86
Thanks, that's excellent information. Do you know who gets the commission if... Mister Ed Oct 2023 #113
The insurance company saves money if you don't use an agent/broker/sales rep dalton99a Oct 2023 #115
Thank you! n/t Mister Ed Oct 2023 #116
You are. You just don't know it. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #80
You don't pay the premium???? Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #39
Medicare Advantage Plans are private insurance, period. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #5
I see all kinds of Specialists and pay $25 copay. MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #9
I am one of those traditional Medicare patients. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #87
Precisely! justaprogressive Oct 2023 #114
Not exactly true. They can make a profit if the number sinkingfeeling Oct 2023 #11
Part of the Advantage thingy is MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #12
the government gets RIPPED OFF by "Advantage" Skittles Oct 2023 #103
So are Medicare Supplement plans dpibel Oct 2023 #84
Remember this about Medicare Advantage meow2u3 Oct 2023 #13
Yep. And those insurance companies bombard us with ads to herd people into plans without good info Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #48
OMG and they are relentless about robo calls, Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #102
Kick dalton99a Oct 2023 #15
As of 2023, the majority of Medicare beneficiaries are in Medicare Advantage Plans. Most are there Silent Type Oct 2023 #17
Contracting back office work isn't the point being made in the original post. paleotn Oct 2023 #27
Traditional Medicare is administered by insurance companies since inception. That's a fact. Silent Type Oct 2023 #33
Back office. Management is through the federal government. paleotn Oct 2023 #46
Back office-- everything including coverage, claims, credentialing of doctors, notifications, etc. Silent Type Oct 2023 #50
Contracting for certain services is a different animal entirely compared to Advantage funding. paleotn Oct 2023 #60
I think they point of the OP was to bash Medicare Advantage and those that choose it. That's usually Silent Type Oct 2023 #65
And I think you're wrong. paleotn Oct 2023 #91
Glad you are so much smarter than the 51% who choose MA. Silent Type Oct 2023 #100
Does Medicare give you DownriverDem Oct 2023 #18
What in the world is an over the counter card? orthoclad Oct 2023 #36
It covers lots of stuff DownriverDem Oct 2023 #45
Bottom Line. SalamanderSleeps Oct 2023 #19
True moose65 Oct 2023 #37
Yet, it is chosen by 51% of beneficiaries. Good to know we are smarter than all those stupid people. Silent Type Oct 2023 #52
Thank you! Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #57
We need health care, not "insurance" orthoclad Oct 2023 #20
It needs to be fixed DownriverDem Oct 2023 #22
I don't see anyone attacking those who chose Advantage. Just the private entities running them. paleotn Oct 2023 #29
The comments are way too negative DownriverDem Oct 2023 #63
We need to completely replace the insurance model orthoclad Oct 2023 #32
Agreed. Insurance should not be a "for profit" system SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #38
We need to drop the "insurance" model altogether orthoclad Oct 2023 #56
I suspect this is more complicated than most of us realize... Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #21
I am glad yours was a success story. SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #40
What a minute. Weren't these private entities supposed to profit from efficiency alone? paleotn Oct 2023 #23
I love my Advantage plan Traildogbob Oct 2023 #24
Hahahaha!! moose65 Oct 2023 #41
Yea, I think Traildogbob Oct 2023 #72
+1. MA companies are very aggressive in their campaigns to lure and entrap retirees dalton99a Oct 2023 #75
We are the prey Traildogbob Oct 2023 #77
My husband doesn't have part B taken out of his SS because he uses the VA for physicians visits. 1WorldHope Oct 2023 #88
You are correct Traildogbob Oct 2023 #93
*SNORT* Skittles Oct 2023 #104
Most brokers would choose traditional Medicare for themselves dalton99a Oct 2023 #110
I have DownriverDem Oct 2023 #25
Have been vigorously trying tiredtoo Oct 2023 #30
Advantage Plans have a yearly $$$ limit MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #55
they also have limits on what they pay out and/or cover. tiredtoo Oct 2023 #67
or they will outiright deny care based on some weird algirithm Skittles Oct 2023 #105
Just like any other insurance, It depends on the plan. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #89
Some red states, such as IN, that took the expanded medicaid option Cheezoholic Oct 2023 #31
What is "expanded medicare"?? moose65 Oct 2023 #44
It has to be Medicaid Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #51
Yes, spellcheck dambit lol Cheezoholic Oct 2023 #58
States cannot remove your right to standard Medicare. N/T Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #90
What are the choices? bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #62
Medical is not expensive. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #92
Thanks for that!! Helps to plan ahead! bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #117
It isn't really an option, if you can guarantee your health. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #118
I have an Advantage Plan. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #70
You're another in a long line of MA defenders moose65 Oct 2023 #78
Other people are getting it, that's why they choose MA. If majority of beneficiaries choose it , Silent Type Oct 2023 #81
Advertising is powerful persuader. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #95
Saves Medicare beneficiaries money. That's a good thing. Silent Type Oct 2023 #98
But it doesn't Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #108
Not to patient/beneficiary. You've heard DUers right here with heart surgery, Silent Type Oct 2023 #109
n 1 is an anecdote. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #111
Wish the MA is bad, bad, bad crowd would get on CMS to investigate and fine Silent Type Oct 2023 #112
Yeah, it's good until it isn't moose65 Oct 2023 #96
The big ones seldom leave. And even if they do, you can enroll in traditional Silent Type Oct 2023 #99
$233 if it was the first care for 2022, $226 for 2023. Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #94
My Medicare starts Dec XanaDUer2 Oct 2023 #83
The 140 billion dollar figure is way high. Progressive dog Oct 2023 #97
Based on all the comments on this thread tiredtoo Oct 2023 #106
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