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karynnj

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72. Of course she doesn't and just as people can disagree with Obama's policy --hers can be attacked too
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
Aug 2014

Obama has never been attacked for being too non aggressive here. He was blistered for calling for a target attack on Syria due to their use of chemical weapons. That was the right of anyone here who disagreed. I disputed many who equated what Obama was speaking of to a full fledged war - in some cases, speculating about boots on the ground. Now, there are many who are 100% against ANY action being taken in Iraq.

Hillary CAN take any position she wants - that is her right and privilege. However, just as it is completely the right of anyone to question Obama's positions, they certainly can question Hillary's. He is our elected Democratic President, she is the most likely (but not yet selected) future Presidential nominee. We are entering, not the general election, but the preprimaries. This is a time when people can and will discuss and advocate for the nominees.

It has always been clear that DU is more antiwar and more liberal/progressive than the Democratic party. If DU is more to the left than Obama, it will likely disagree with Hillary on ALL four major disagreements she had on foreign policy - as she is FURTHER from them (us) than Obama is. There is not a huge amount of support here for having done more on Syria. You were here last year, I assume you remember the anger against the less aggressive Obama and Kerry. This is not people attacking Hillary because she is Hillary, this is attacking Hillary because she is advocating things we disliked when McCain advocated them. On Iraq, did you see many unhappy when US troops were completely out? I didn't - yet that was (per Hillary) her position. People here trashed it as McCain's position. Iran is more complicated, but again, I think more people support the Obama goal of working with the P6 to solve the problem -- and against the Netanyahu led effort to derail it. (Here Hillary had been on the fence - poised to claim credit or attack Obama - in this article it seems she has decided to align with Netanyahu.) Only on Israel, will she find some - but not majority support here. The fact is that Obama/Kerry have tried - more than others in the past - to be honest brokers and Israel's response was disgusting. Nice time for Hillary to pile on!

Get your point out, and then take the heat and say "I didn't mean it". TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #1
More Games billhicks76 Aug 2014 #23
Oh, really? candelista Aug 2014 #2
Good-bye Hilary coldbeer Aug 2014 #35
Don't speak too soon! candelista Aug 2014 #44
Sorry, but the very thought makes me retch... peacebird Aug 2014 #52
hear, hear... Stellar Aug 2014 #70
Well, when you say it like that, it doesn't sound so bad! Ash_F Aug 2014 #81
Too little, too late… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #3
Why? Can't she criticize Obama if she wants to. Or do you expect her to be an totodeinhere Aug 2014 #15
She ridicules him to international coverage; then tries to walk it back. Divernan Aug 2014 #20
Oh come on. She did not ridicule him. She had some constructive criticism of some totodeinhere Aug 2014 #24
How many here at DU are serious candidates for the 2016 Presidential Race? hedgehog Aug 2014 #38
any DUer that made the same comments Clinton made would be called out as a ratfucker frylock Aug 2014 #40
It's ironic that the prohibitive frontrunner for the Democratic nomination would totodeinhere Aug 2014 #43
In fairness she informed President Obama that she was going to do the interview criticizing some of still_one Aug 2014 #53
Yes, and there are those who like nothing better than sowing divisions within the Democratic totodeinhere Aug 2014 #59
There's no such thing as bad press, really--spell the names right and let it rip. MADem Aug 2014 #76
Her people polling and monitoring the blogs must have sensed too much blowback. hollowdweller Aug 2014 #4
Yeppers. candelista Aug 2014 #5
Well, then, maybe she should have given her remarks more thought. closeupready Aug 2014 #6
***cough*** say what? azurnoir Aug 2014 #7
Well isn't that nice! elleng Aug 2014 #8
She knew what she was doing. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #27
which makes it more painful elleng Aug 2014 #28
Yeah, they're the Cha Aug 2014 #47
If this isn't a wake up call for HRC flamingdem Aug 2014 #9
I guess the trial balloon she sent up over the weekend didn't have a lot of air in it tularetom Aug 2014 #10
Yeah Right, in other words just testing the waters to see how far I can go. trublu992 Aug 2014 #11
Mission Accomplished...... global1 Aug 2014 #12
Did he take the call? Boomerproud Aug 2014 #16
Did she call at 3AM? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #13
Yeah right. I'm sure these were all honest mistakes LittleBlue Aug 2014 #14
David Axelrod defends his old boss... flpoljunkie Aug 2014 #17
How does the punchline to that old joke go? Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #18
So she takes a dump on Obama's foreign policy... AngryAmish Aug 2014 #19
Cheap. H2O Man Aug 2014 #21
of course, Hillary didn't really dismiss Obama's 'stupid stuff' quote. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #22
MSM is paid for sowing division. Fortunately, PBO and HRC live on a realm of experience that allows freshwest Aug 2014 #55
Then again - consider that many here simply do not agree with the Clinton expressed differences karynnj Aug 2014 #73
those are honest disagreements wyldwolf Aug 2014 #75
Who's disagreements are honest? karynnj Aug 2014 #77
yours. The ones you listed. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #79
Thanks both for that assessment and answering. karynnj Aug 2014 #80
I'm sure Obama responded graciously. Dems to Win Aug 2014 #25
Actually he said "horseshit".. not to Hillary when she called but to those Cha Aug 2014 #64
She's just showing her Clintoness albino65 Aug 2014 #26
I don't think President Obama much cares ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #29
Excellent Point, 1Strong.. but, before her remarks were made public he Cha Aug 2014 #48
Except, her positions may impact the world's response to his negotiations karynnj Aug 2014 #74
Your first two and final points are well taken ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #78
Hey Hill - Stop Doing Stupid Stuff otohara Aug 2014 #30
Really, otohara.. Stupid stuff like.. Cha Aug 2014 #49
who F'ing cares what she says, Phlem Aug 2014 #31
She should take her mouth on vacation until next February BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #32
I hope she takes that mouth on vacay longer than that bigwillq Aug 2014 #33
Then what would she call it, I wonder? Arkana Aug 2014 #34
She basically just needs to shut the fuck up because clearly she can't talk Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #36
She certainly picked the wrong humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #37
I think its just stupid media drama, again. She was due to meet at Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday, Sunlei Aug 2014 #39
How can if be a 'failure' if HRC admits she doesn't know if arming Syrian rebels would've worked? flpoljunkie Aug 2014 #41
I don't believe her. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #42
Shades of HRC's Bosnia Sniper Fiasco Divernan Aug 2014 #45
Didn't President Obama say the other day that it was "horseshit" about those Cha Aug 2014 #46
It is called pile on and let those who researches the truth before they pile on with out facts. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #56
... Phlem Aug 2014 #57
I am done with her riverwalker Aug 2014 #50
"Clinton/Netanyahu presidency"? alp227 Aug 2014 #58
disagree, Israel is largest recipient of military weapons and cash with undeniable influence whereisjustice Aug 2014 #60
I didn't say anything about misogyny. alp227 Aug 2014 #61
What a backstabbing schmuck..... Lost.Any.Respect.for.HRC peacebird Aug 2014 #51
Just trying to establish her war hawk street cred. neverforget Aug 2014 #54
Hillary is not obligated to agree with every aspect of Obama's foreign policy. Beacool Aug 2014 #62
Of course she doesn't and just as people can disagree with Obama's policy --hers can be attacked too karynnj Aug 2014 #72
I don't care if she disagrees with Obama. I do care that she's a war hawk. fbc Aug 2014 #63
Agreed! Stellar Aug 2014 #71
Yup. That's it in a nutshell peacebird Aug 2014 #82
When Obama was first up for election there were only 10% of the right wingers there are on DU now. truthisfreedom Aug 2014 #65
Clinton: ''I did not have sex Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #66
Just kidding! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #67
Horseshit INdemo Aug 2014 #68
Right out of the Faux pas Aug 2014 #69
Hillary Clinton is entitled to her opinion though I side with Pres c588415 Aug 2014 #83
If Hillary wasn't trying to "attack President Obama".. I hate to see what she'd be saying if Cha Aug 2014 #84
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