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99. Doesn't matter which side they're on, the sad eyes and faces of those young men break my heart. n/t

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Russia demands surrender of Ukraine's Crimea forces. [View all] dipsydoodle Mar 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Mar 2014 #1

confirmation steve2470 Mar 2014 #2

(Corrected to >>>) So, that would be 10:00PM EST 3/3. RKP5637 Mar 2014 #9

10pm (on the 3rd), not am (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #13

Oops, just corrected it! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #15

So not yet. Not even 10 AM PT. Bet the phone lines are busy between DC and Moscow. nt freshwest Mar 2014 #43

15.55 CBS journalist Erin Lyall has seen officers' wives at a Ukrainian base making a human shield steve2470 Mar 2014 #3

Just saw it flash by on Al Jazeera America. Putin is testing the waters, this, IMO, is RKP5637 Mar 2014 #4

This is a repeating theme in Russian history. Maedhros Mar 2014 #66

Do you think that the Baltic states, with their Russian populations, amandabeech Mar 2014 #73

Russia already has access to the Baltic Sea via St. Petersburg. Maedhros Mar 2014 #78

St. Petersburg is not nearly as good a port as Riga, Latvia. amandabeech Mar 2014 #80

Less incentive, not zero. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #81

I agree, but Putin seems to be living in the past as much as the present. amandabeech Mar 2014 #82

Putin could certainly have his eyes on the Baltic States. Maedhros Mar 2014 #85

"The revolution in the Ukraine threatened Russian access to the Black Sea"-Not EX500rider Mar 2014 #92

Not excusing the action, just analyzing it. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #93

Wasn't at you... EX500rider Mar 2014 #97

Medvedev and Biden talk, via Interfax steve2470 Mar 2014 #5

no confirmation from Moscow steve2470 Mar 2014 #6

Source was Ukrainian Defence Ministry dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #7

yes steve2470 Mar 2014 #10

Becomes hard to know who to believe dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #12

Ukraine is drumming up support for its government pre-emptively, or panicking. Maybe just PR. freshwest Mar 2014 #46

I still wonder dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #57

I don't think they are accepting economic realities, either, and were not prepared to govern yet. freshwest Mar 2014 #110

EU / Euro as follows dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #111

But Ireland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, etc. are on the Euro? freshwest Mar 2014 #115

Germany dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #117

I was thinking the same way about their claim to protect Russians in the Ukraine davidpdx Mar 2014 #113

He is a crazy bastard isn't he? davidpdx Mar 2014 #112

Nope, he's paid for that act. Some toadies play their roles better than others. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #116

Alamo time Renew Deal Mar 2014 #8

and so the thug that fancies itself a bear shows himself geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11

cost to Russia steve2470 Mar 2014 #14

Yes, that's cause to doubt this 'ultimatum' was ever issued. I'm just speculating, though. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #50

"ruble won't collapse" steve2470 Mar 2014 #16

Shouldn't that be the rubble? OnlinePoker Mar 2014 #31

+1, How to wreck a country in a few easy steps. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #35

Khodorkovsky statement steve2470 Mar 2014 #17

Ukraine so far refusing to make the same mistake Georgia did in firing first-- TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #18

How could anyone still think this is in any way justifiable behavior on Russia's part? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #19

how could anyone think it was justifiable for the US to illegally invade Iraq. olddad56 Mar 2014 #21

There is none. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #23

There is none, indeed, for Iraq or Crimea. Putin is acting like Bush not someone we supported. n/t pampango Mar 2014 #30

Exactly davidpdx Mar 2014 #114

@Tommy_Carcetti: +100 levp Mar 2014 #33

Exactly.. and it wasn't done in our name, either. Not mine.. and I'm Cha Mar 2014 #118

"What is the difference?" EX500rider Mar 2014 #94

live blog here, do not know credibility, feedback please steve2470 Mar 2014 #20

CBS report steve2470 Mar 2014 #22

Hopefully she knows what she's talking about. This is manuevering for support by Ukraine, likely. nt freshwest Mar 2014 #51

"no need" - speaker of State Duma steve2470 Mar 2014 #24

BBC News on tv now reporting dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #25

"Russia may kill some their own troops" steve2470 Mar 2014 #26

Weren't there German bodies in Polish uniforms at the German/Polish amandabeech Mar 2014 #75

you are correct nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #76

On what legal basis is that deadline made? blackspade Mar 2014 #27

Legality christx30 Mar 2014 #48

Sorry, I was being rhetorical blackspade Mar 2014 #68

RT reports 400 kilos of TNT and arms steve2470 Mar 2014 #28

Some loose nuts trying to start a war, then? n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #54

Russia requesting UN Security council meeting steve2470 Mar 2014 #29

That's the right thing to do. May cooler heads prevail. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #87

all i can say is shit. barbtries Mar 2014 #32

Russian defense ministry is now denying that there is an ultimatum for surrender. pampango Mar 2014 #34

It was Ukraine who made the claim dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #37

Ultimatum was probably never made. rdharma Mar 2014 #39

Important fine print. jsr Mar 2014 #52

Let's hope the tranfer is without casualties. rdharma Mar 2014 #36

I don't see much details about this levp Mar 2014 #42

confirmation here ? steve2470 Mar 2014 #38

Christopher Miller again steve2470 Mar 2014 #40

That was in reference to one of two issues. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #47

that's not my reading steve2470 Mar 2014 #53

There were two apparent ultimatums today dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #55

Ok I wasn't aware there were two ultimatums steve2470 Mar 2014 #56

is this the ground forces one ? steve2470 Mar 2014 #58

Yes - that is an update from an hour ago which hasn't been updated. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #61

occupation of Donetsk building steve2470 Mar 2014 #41

Polish FM steve2470 Mar 2014 #44

The Ukraine is weak Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #45

Putin has gone mad! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #49

Russia says NOT SO. grasswire Mar 2014 #59

No - because the original head was used as per LBN rules. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #62

Russian troops at Chongar steve2470 Mar 2014 #60

EU foreign ministers condemn clear violation of Ukraine sovereignty steve2470 Mar 2014 #63

strongly condemn - one up from “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #64

are you minimizing this to defend the Russians again? CreekDog Mar 2014 #79

It was yout own posts which persisted in drawing attention to that. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #84

what an interesting way to put it CreekDog Mar 2014 #86

The EU arranged that meeting for today on Saturday dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #67

Pro-Russian troops control ferry terminal steve2470 Mar 2014 #65

Pro-Russian protests outside Crimea steve2470 Mar 2014 #69

situation in Odessa and Donetsk steve2470 Mar 2014 #70

Doesn't matter which side they're on, the sad eyes and faces of those young men break my heart. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #99

Stuart Webb of ITN Channel 4 news with Ukraine commander steve2470 Mar 2014 #71