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freshwest

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29. Yes, he took what belonged to both the defense and prosecution, state's evidence.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:02 PM - Edit history (3)

But I can understand his rage at this cover. They could have been of the bombing itself and then put his 'Jim Morrison' look-a-like photo inside.

Beware:

A rambling rant is coming. Back away now if necessary.

The idea that Rolling Stone gets a pass for making a buck off of this is a Libertarian one. Nothing must stand in the way of the First Amendment and making a buck. Because money is free speech and corporations are people. Just ask Greenwald why he supports Citizens United.

Guess that makes Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and FNN okay for whatever they say. Why should anyone complain of having their feelings hurt? Don't react, don't say a thing, just accept getting kicked when you're down because the self-righteous bullies are gonna yell, 'It's my right!' To make a buck off your agony. It devalues human life, to turn it into fodder for profit.

Should Trayvon's family not be permitted to speak against the racist media atmosphere that killed their son and let his killer go free, because it's all just 'Freedom of Speech!' like the Teabaggers sing in chorus?

And NO ONE is censoring or stopping RS from publication of whatever they think will sell for profit. THAT line is never crossed in this country, NEVER. This magazine will go on without any hindrance, like Beck, Rush, etc. without being as ill-intended.

But the people of Boston cleaning up the wreckage in the lives of many, the trashing of a global event that resonated so much that the Marathon winner gave his medal to the citizens of Boston in honor of their pain; they are not allowed to speak without being called names or their motives degraded politically?

Are they not allowed to be angry, or outraged, because commerical journalism is being accused of being insensitive to their feelings? How far do we want to take this, when such commerical speech is valued so highly, that it is making policy and abusing the process of informing the citizenry daily, yet the words of Bostonians are being sneered at? Since they are not professional journalists, is that the dividing line on the worth of their words or experiences?

If that is the case, we are truly doomed as a nation, that we are only judging between the words of those paid to speak for media owners, the vast majority of which are conservative one-percenters, who daily ignore, malign and lie about the motivations of those who say they have a right by law to have services, a right to have an education, healthcare, and all the rest the well-organized and funded city of Boston represents, while pushing their newest variety of social darwinism.

Boston is a success story for liberal government and it exists as a counter to their nihilism, and thus it must be destroyed from the top to the bottom for the sake of the 'liberty and freedom.' Of the 1% that is, not the 99% that built Boston and this nation.

If we judge everything within the media lens, we are proving the USCoC and Koch brothers right. That dollars really do equal freedom of speech. Consider each dollar and each word paid for and produced as a vote.

This is a wonderful state of affairs to promote if you are a multi-billionaire. Their dollars and the people they pay to speak for them far exceed our numbers. There are 300 million Americans, but they are billions. We know that Jones is a JBS, Libertarian, GOP and a fan of James O'Keefe's work to bring down Democrats and liberals along with that nasty government. He carries out his mission with the zeal of a great entertainer.

We've seen Beck shilling openly for the GOP, the USCoC, the Koch Brothers, and all of that. And so is Rand Paul. Yet we let their words determine how we treat our peers, as they have 'points that should be made.' Weapons like knives have points, too. What of the hand that wields them? And the forces behind the hand?

While what RS did, was not as direct as Beck and Rush, and I will not boycott them, and am not from Boston, it was a gratuitous appeal to the youthfulness and doe eyed appearance of the defendant. Did they also post a picture of the less photogenic Zimmerman for an article in order to foster a genteel discussion of why he did what he did, like a tea party of aristocrats analyzing the fine points of the mewls of the dying peasants beneath their feet?

RS is not FNN. That's not what's going on in this case. But the actions being chatted about are worse than when Z murdered Trayvon. A certain number of people enjoy roaming the minds of serial killers, too. In this case, this guy slaughtered people for his cause. To sympathize with his cause is to believe that everything about the city of Boston that has made it work, that ended a week of being terrorized by a real life sitaution, is an evil fraud.

Also the defendant said he was amazed with how his good looks enabled him to influence others, or words to that effect. IOW, he could con people and did it without remorse. And his face on that cover does exactly that.

Most people understand that there is an emotional underpinning to what we say and do, and no one is less aware of this than the various forms of media. Who is RS trying to con, or are they not quite as clever as they make out to be? Is there an agenda, or is it just pandering to sell copies? Are either agendas so noble that they deserve our fealty?

I don't hate the defendant and am not worried about him being mistreated in any way. He is getting a far better defense team than Z had in Florida. A highly dedicated group of individuals who will do all in their power to see that this young man either is found not guilty or will mitigate his sentence in however they can.

I've known attorneys from Boston, of the ACLU variety. They are not going to let this guy be railroaded or mistreated. He will get a vastly superior defense than the majority of Americans will ever get.

I don't begrudge him that at all. In fact, if he is found not guilty, it's no skin off of my nose personally. The truth and not The Truth© that is being sold to us by CT shills, will be welcome even to those injured. They don't want a man wrongfully convicted and let the guilty run loose.

His trial or verdict, one way or another will not bring anyone back to life, will not reattach torn off legs, feet, hands, arms, eyes, faces, or the ability for lives most of us expect will be our lot.

On the other hand, if I appear to be inconsistent, the Zimmerman case was not in a crowd. And he pretty much shot himself in the foot with his media appearances and own words. He has had his day in the media court, and court in Sanford.

The suspect here will no doubt generate a fan club or a different variety than Z, just as the the Menendez brothers and many others in American Idol land.

In this case, there still remains a possibility, despite eye witness testimony by Bauman, that he will not be convicted. Some CTers say Bauman did not lose his legs in the bombing, amd that the man who helped him, formerly adored by the left as antiwar, was a fraud as well. How fickle the public is.

What CTers are saying is hurtful to the people of Boston, saying it is all a fraud, no one was hurt, just like Newtown, all actors covering up for an agenda to take away guns, just as was brought into arguments here, that the people of Boston needed guns to protect themselves. And not the police state Bostonians were called cowards for agreeing to being asked to stay in their homes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101661629

Very easy to say the Libertarian solution is the only one that is right, as Beck and Jones promise us that a full Nazi state is just around this corner. Or that corner, some other corner. Keep looking for it, be afraid of anyone that says 'I'm from the government,' like Reagan said. But Reagan was no freedom fighter in the sense that a liberal thinks - he was, though, the spiritual, philosophic and economic basis of the Tea Party.

The same voices will suggest we buy water filters and gold for the coming collapse that they are selling us on, but never seems to happen. Because it won't, things will simply be re-aligned and those who have will keep on having and those who are being robbed by the Libertarian paradise they promote will keep being robbed, unless they unite to hold onto the government and run the plutocrats out.

Beck and Jones are shills for the plutocracy while making out to be populists. It's all so entertaining, cynical and very effective.

And this parade of insults is for a community that has endured Glen Beck turning the bombing to fit into one of his very profitable, emotionally charged and dishonest narratives, using the shell shocked citizens there into unwilling bit players in his circus. The grifters didn't even wait for the blood to be cleaned up:

Glenn Beck compares hunt for Boston Marathon bomber to Nazi Germany

April 29, 2013 By Michael Ross



You had to know he would get around to it sooner or later.

This morning on his radio program, Glenn Beck spent several minutes discussing a photo reportedly taken during the hunt for suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev which shows a police officer riding in a Humvee who appears to be aiming his rifle up at the person taking the photo through a window...



Beck then claimed to find the image particularly disturbing because it reminded him of something he learned when visiting Auschwitz, which was that the Nazis would murder anyone who dared to so much as look out the window when they came to haul away Jewish families living in a neighborhood.



Glenn Beck compares the manhunt for the Boston Marathon bomber to the Nazis. Credit: Rightwingwatch.org

"So there were no eyewitnesses to anything because they had trained them," said Beck. "You make that mistake one time and the entire neighborhood and the town realize when they say stay in the house, they mean stay in your house. When they say don't look out the window, don't approach a window, don't look at what's going on, you don't or they'll kill you..."

A lot more goodies at link:

http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-compares-hunt-for-boston-marathon-bomber-to-nazi-germany

How very original of Glenn and the rest of the gang...


At the same time, Boston had to endure the Infowars franchisees from the Westboro Baptist Church school of journalism with their claims of a 'false flag.' They came to town and claimed the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

This is what they claimed about the First Responders, the ones who carried the injured and dead and had to stop another bombing from taking place. The ones who saw their neighbors suffering and ran to help instead of standing aside like a film audience and jeering at the people who didn't have time to stand aside.

The same crew showed up with the same condescending, 'I know something you don't know, you brainwashed sheeple' singsong and attitude to Boston they brought to each town after the shootings in Newtown, Aurora, the Sikh temple and Oklahoma tornadoes, to any place local citizens sought to prevent more death. Talk about rubbing the salt in the wound. They reek of 1% arrogance with their insistence on demoralizing people, and that's their agenda, not truth telling.

I'm going to divide this line from above about how the vampiric media is hurting people there, for anyone who wants to go that journey as it what is underneath the words being said about the authorities in Boston:

They came to town and claimed that the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

...that the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

...and the police themselves committed the bombing.


The clear charge that has been made is that the police themselves stood by or even committed the crime, is that they are guilty of such soulless and cruel behavior toward the people they have been sworn to protect, many of whom they were related to as family, friends and co-workers and were injured.

That's about as damning as it gets. It's saying they murdered the innocents. That they committed a crime against humanity. That is what Beck is selling there with his deeply flawed parallel reality, the same way that Infowars does.

This had to have hurt deeply for this officer to have reacted as he did and get himself in trouble, as he wanted to clear his profession. his friends and neighbors of the charges that have been made of the suspect being badly treated, that they were out to kill all the witnesses and keep the truth from coming out in this matter.

Just as Beck and Jones said.

These are very serious charges being laid at their feet by the CT shills. And the zealots don't give a damn, as long as the money and the thrills keep on coming.

The assault on all civil authority is coming from the same sources who want public schools and the social safety net gone with no regulation enforced. They daily demoralize the public, demonize and defund public institutions created to protect people from the same plutocrats that pay them.

In doing so they mobilize for the civil war the 1% wants to happen, the constitutional crisis they are itching for, to eliminate the last obstacle to plutocratic rule.

Just because it's wrapped up in plain paper for the masses doesn't mean it's not part of what the 1% wants, to have us going at each other's throats and destroying the government all institutions that are so deeply flawed they must be destroyed for freedom and liberty.

The essential part of the narrative they never delve into is that the default will result in our living under religious and corporate authorities, and no redress.

This is perfect, this is selling the public on the ideas of the 1% and against those who are working for them. And is why I don't buy the story that continual trashing of the government is a winning strategy for change. Because that requires enthusiasm for the imperfect instrument of social safety nets, health care and rights for the poor and minorities that Democrats represent no matter what. As the song Freewill goes, 'If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.'

Not supporting those working for change, just standing back and jeering, is a vote fo the status quo, the Koch brothers, theocrats and the 1%, because they are the default power, eager for you to lose faith in a We The People government that makes our lives better, but only in proportion that we bite the bullet and join into it to make change.

The old saying is, 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' I see no solutions being offered at DU most days, just tearing down. No practical alternatives to change things will result in a default to 1% schemes. It's dishonest to complain about what the Tea Party and GOP are doing, and at the same time trash their only opposition. Because it ensures their continued success.



I think he's dreamy with that red dot on his forehead NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1
yes, much better than the 'rock star' treatment! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #18
doesn't look like he needs a wheel chair, right? temmer Jul 2013 #31
oh can't wait to hear his story for this, what a hoot that'll be! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #34
have you seen the video? temmer Jul 2013 #45
Wheelchair Why Syzygy Jul 2013 #48
two links about his care sheshe2 Jul 2013 #47
Glad these were posted flamingdem Jul 2013 #2
I gotta go with this one: MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #3
I remember that photo and story and it flamingdem Jul 2013 #4
It *is* a-okay MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #6
Wow, your neighborhood! flamingdem Jul 2013 #8
It was pretty funny waking up at 5 AM, firing up the news on the iPad MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #9
I would welcome de-icing my car leftynyc Jul 2013 #43
Uh huh BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #17
Boston did good that night, sheshe2 Jul 2013 #11
Yeah, it all worked pretty well MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #13
A little spoiling never hurt anyone. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #16
I don't Get "Relived of Duty".... Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #5
Well I guess you have to be from Boston... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #7
Didn't explain WHY the photog guy was placed on Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #10
Try #12. freshwest Jul 2013 #14
No clue~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #15
Yes, he took what belonged to both the defense and prosecution, state's evidence. freshwest Jul 2013 #29
Oh god...here we go again. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #39
The second of two replies to you, Sheshe, on what Boston has endured: freshwest Jul 2013 #30
It's not a secret. It's evidence that might compromise the defense or the prosecution. freshwest Jul 2013 #12
Well said freshwest! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #19
It's understandable that he made them public flamingdem Jul 2013 #20
hear hear! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #21
and the brainwashing goes on temmer Jul 2013 #22
He is being treated like a human being. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #24
He was denied his Miranda rights temmer Jul 2013 #25
Not giving him his miranda warning, and respecting his fifth amendment right AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #28
He was taken to one the best hospitals, Beth Israel Deaconess... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #36
Unreal, she! "brainwashing" because they're Cha Jul 2013 #41
Those are exactly the PERFECT pictures to remember him by. His legacy. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #23
I don't understand you temmer Jul 2013 #26
I accept, based on the public evidence that he is a murdering scumbag. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #27
okay - accepted temmer Jul 2013 #32
I also accept that some will doubt the charges against him. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #33
and your reasons? sheshe2 Jul 2013 #37
link sheshe2 Jul 2013 #38
Ok, the Rolling Stone pictures were a bit romantic (in the Lord Byron sort of way) daleo Jul 2013 #35
The reason that fundies don't like these photos released Fearless Jul 2013 #40
Boston police Sgt. Sean Murphy is a whistleblower temmer Jul 2013 #42
fuck that worthless piece of shit - he's not a victim Baclava Jul 2013 #44
13 surgeries, more to come, and her children affected too. Real people, real pain. freshwest Jul 2013 #46
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