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32. We live about 90 minutes from there. As I walked in, the local news was on and someone was being
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jul 2013

interviewed from about today's testimony. The point being made that while the class covered self-defense laws, apparently of other states as well as Florida, they were in the class materials and discussed by their actual names as opposed to the nick-names we usually see in the press.

So you'll now see & hear "stand your ground" all over the press, but not in the title or text of the law. Instead, the class would have addressed:

"Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 (JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE)."

The specific section at issue in this case is:

"776.012?Use of force in defense of person. A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1)?He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013."


The controversial provision is that upon crossing the threshold where use of deadly force is justified, there is no duty to retreat. Courts determine if that threshold is crossed.

I'm not sure what national news is saying; however, reporters covering the courts for our local stations have been saying that the state has been struggling making its case and that several "prosecution witnesses" have been more helpful to the defense than to the state. And after the investigator testified yesterday that he judged Zimmerman to be consistent and truthful, our news questioned why the prosecutors let the jury go home with that thought and didn't object until today.

The problem with his "Stand Your Ground" defense: It wasn't his fucking ground. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #1
Amen. Exactly. tblue Jul 2013 #45
A picture is emerging from the trial of what went down Nancy Waterman Jul 2013 #2
Am I missing something? Flashmann Jul 2013 #5
Yup, Flashman. You hit the nail on the head. Th1onein Jul 2013 #6
MURDERER! Yes and he will live with that tblue Jul 2013 #46
It always seemed to me Cracklin Charlie Jul 2013 #18
I think you're right on target. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #22
But I think the law holds that premeditation is specific to an individual, not just anyone, though. freshwest Jul 2013 #57
Should make it easier to convict on the 2 degree murder charge. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #37
On another thread, another day, a DUer hypothesized that Zimmerman's nose that broken 1monster Jul 2013 #9
The drink can was still in TM's pocket Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #35
So sad. That poor kid. tblue Jul 2013 #47
Egypt taking over but DNA evidence was painting a picture of Martin not having Z DNA on him. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #17
George Zimmerman more likely caused his own slight nose injury JimDandy Jul 2013 #50
good points. less concrete wounds than a kid skinning a knee or elbow. Sunlei Jul 2013 #56
Possible but AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #19
That's what I've thought from the beginning when I first heard those 911 tapes. yardwork Jul 2013 #43
I agree with most of that brush Jul 2013 #51
You hit the nail on the head... SummerSnow Jul 2013 #54
All gun nuts/toters study SYG and SD laws. They want to know when they can blast away. Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
Actually many states Duckwraps Jul 2013 #23
And that's about all the "students" take away from the NRA courses. Hoyt Jul 2013 #24
Couldn't say. I've never attended A NRA course. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #28
Interesting azurnoir Jul 2013 #4
Zimmermurderer went through the shooter's checklist on his call to the cops Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #7
exactly azurnoir Jul 2013 #8
Exactly! And I also believe that him questioning... Little Star Jul 2013 #13
And the ridiculous dialogue from a grade B movie. yardwork Jul 2013 #44
I would think the kid wouldn't be able to utter a word Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #52
"pre-justifying what he planned to do to the boy" tblue Jul 2013 #48
The prosecution John2 Jul 2013 #10
Your second paragraph makes a substantial point... pacalo Jul 2013 #34
how could he fight back, when he had to keep his hand ready on his gun? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #53
And did he get an "A" in the class marshall Jul 2013 #11
They did, and he did. "Best student." nt IdaBriggs Jul 2013 #16
Okay, but '...Nelson ruled jurors should hear about the defendant's criminal justice studies...' freshwest Jul 2013 #12
I agree, John2 Jul 2013 #14
"blow to his credibility" CanonRay Jul 2013 #15
sorry, didn't see yours when I posted mine, that was my take-away too. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #27
Sounds like Raul Rodriguez did as well... KansDem Jul 2013 #20
Precisely Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #25
Zimmerman sounds more pathetic by the day Politicub Jul 2013 #21
How much credibility does he have left to lose? I laughed at that part. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #26
Even if he walks on this murder......this is/was a preview of coming attractions in his life... Gin Jul 2013 #29
If you carry it's smart to know the law, or you may find ileus Jul 2013 #30
I always pull back to the basics. jonthebru Jul 2013 #31
We live about 90 minutes from there. As I walked in, the local news was on and someone was being 24601 Jul 2013 #32
Question did Z skeewee08 Jul 2013 #33
He claims "he wanted to get an address". pacalo Jul 2013 #36
I'm wondering if he had gps on his phone or in the car? LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #41
Good point. I believe he wanted a confrontation. pacalo Jul 2013 #42
I think you meant a different word than prepared. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #49
What keeps going over and over in my mind WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #38
The question not asked, When did Z take the safety off? vinny9698 Jul 2013 #39
There is no safety on that type of gun. It is a double action, I believe nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #55
The hoodie was also damning. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #40
Probably looking for fine print about killing black people ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #58
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