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freshwest

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16. Thanks, I was just going to ask what changed the angle of ascent - I'm amazed anyone survived.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:22 PM
Apr 2013

Wouldn't cargo be tied down to prevent it or was it pilot error?

I'm not minimizing how awful this is, just trying to figure out with the many thousands of planes that take off that this happened.

Did it look to you as if the pilot had gotten control again, just not fast enough to try to ascend again to prevent the crash?

This had to have been terrifying for everyone in the plane. And I'm still amazed anyone could survive that inferno.

Their poor families.

Omg... darkangel218 Apr 2013 #1
Cargo shifted. mn9driver Apr 2013 #2
That would explain it Warpy Apr 2013 #5
Not likely (regarding accoutability) BlueStreak Apr 2013 #9
Back when I was flying small aircraft, defacto7 Apr 2013 #14
Commercial pilots have been completely dis-empowered over the years Ash_F May 2013 #34
So...it's definitely cargo shift, and definitely because of outsourcing. Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #40
Nobody said that. Please stop misrepresenting the posts here. BlueStreak May 2013 #42
Rumor has it that the loadmaster was on board. ManiacJoe Apr 2013 #11
That makes sense Gore1FL Apr 2013 #13
Thanks, I was just going to ask what changed the angle of ascent - I'm amazed anyone survived. freshwest Apr 2013 #16
Properly securing cargo is hugely important. mn9driver Apr 2013 #22
Sorry to hear that... Sabotage was a thought I had too, unfortunately. Either mechanical with tying freshwest May 2013 #26
The fact that the the pilot would have wanted to climb out of range... TheMadMonk May 2013 #30
Those jets are getting old. defacto7 May 2013 #45
Which is why I included ignorance and accident as other posibilities. /nt TheMadMonk May 2013 #46
Yep, we lost a DC8 that way. I don't know what else santamargarita May 2013 #38
The Fine Air cargo was also improperly loaded: Blue_Tires May 2013 #39
It's rather amazing that the driver didn't utter a sound arcane1 Apr 2013 #3
It seemed like he took a long sigh near the end before speeding up to go and help. freshwest Apr 2013 #18
The best part: the driver pulled over, and didn't keep going. arcane1 Apr 2013 #20
I consider that to be SOP for a human being. Helping, not driving by. freshwest Apr 2013 #21
Yeah, as opposed to that truck that drove right through it Tab May 2013 #32
That focus will make come to you. The poster I replied to was talking about the video maker. Bye. freshwest May 2013 #41
I'm thinking that the driver is a contractor or airfield security or something Blue_Tires May 2013 #43
Agreed. I don't think we need to nitpick at people at the site of sudden tragedy. freshwest May 2013 #44
the driver didn't say anything here, either Blue_Tires May 2013 #36
I stopped watching a couple of seconds after hitting play Politicub Apr 2013 #4
Awful thing to see, even in a little video window. another_liberal Apr 2013 #6
I'm hoping it wasn't some kind of computer malfunction. Someone says the cargo shifted, though. freshwest Apr 2013 #17
Wow. That must have been a serious Jenoch Apr 2013 #7
I'd think it was the cargo shifting on takeoff causing the weight and balance to shift to the rear neverforget Apr 2013 #8
You can still stall with all engines producing full power. Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2013 #10
Thanks. Jenoch Apr 2013 #15
It seemed to roll to the left BlueStreak Apr 2013 #19
It is early and this is all just speculating... Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2013 #23
Do you see the smoke I mentioned at about the 7 second mark? BlueStreak May 2013 #25
It could be.... Capt.Rocky300 May 2013 #27
My uninformed speculation is the pilot went full throttle and that caused smoke AngryAmish May 2013 #33
The roll was the result of deep aerodynamic stall mn9driver May 2013 #24
Vehicles have wheels. Once one begins moving on a slope like that... TheMadMonk May 2013 #31
Sickening... SoapBox Apr 2013 #12
A horrifying piece of video Rowdyboy May 2013 #28
That, my friends, defines what we knew as "a bummer". WheelWalker May 2013 #29
The loved ones of those on the plane... OneGrassRoot May 2013 #35
more in-depth analysis here: Blue_Tires May 2013 #37
I have a recurring nightmare Bertha Venation May 2013 #47
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