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freshwest

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61. They're really arguing over disrespecting humans and treating them as animals.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:47 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Welfare benefits are called charity by the right and a mercy to those in need. But the intent is to deny both humane instincts. GOP elected officials commonly term the poor and unemployed in terms that vilify them as mindless beasts.

Really, they want them to cease to exist. They are using language to facilitate suffering on those who can't help themselves. Drug addiction is a mental condition, that have been recognized as not being a crime, but an affliction. The 'choice' to use a drug with knowledge addiction will follow is not a rational act.

Once into the process, brain chemistry is altered and the person is no more in control of their craving than person with diabetes who needs insulin. The religious right claims that being 'born again' cures all of it. They trot out examples of those who get into religion and leave drugs. But the problem was mental to begin with, and they have substituted another one.

And they have their failures as well, and need constant reinforcement just as an alcoholic may go to AA meetings or a drug addict end up with a few psychiatric hospital stays to get back in balance. That is what people with the means to have insurance and handle other affairs can do and maintain their lives.

The GOP and the religious right demonize drug addicts who are poor, not those that have money like Rush. So they are playing a very cruel game that they use to inflame their voters against 'the other' whoever that will be decided it is. These are all human problems.

If it was not drugs they are accusing the poor of spending tax dollars on, it would be giving birth to children they cannot support. Then they want to deny them the means of contraception. Because their imaginations regard the poor as a group who should not exist, should not have the same things that are going on in their lives celebrated with diamond rings, elaborate weddings, honeymoons, baby showers and the like.

They deny they are eligible to become poor or that the poor are human beings. To them the poor are like ducks in a shooting gallery for their amusement. Just a few observations from watching these things unfold.

I made the unflattering suggestion for this women proposing this to do it in public, because people who live on public help are treated like a circus side show act. I don't approve of drug testing anyone unless it is parents who have been found to be abusing or neglecting their children or others who have committed violent offenses that they request mitigation in sentencing or waivers, due to drug addiction.

In such cases that is part of compliance to not re-offend. But the greater issue is this is a cowardly game being played on those least able to resist, and like trans-vaginal ultrasounds, meant to dehumanize and humiliate the targeted party. Saying that representatives should be drug tested is giving into the plantation or animal husbandry method of regulation of humans, instead of treating each other as deserving of respect.

Too long and maybe off course but I am fighting off a headache right now.

Ditto WTF! elleng Feb 2013 #1
Fucking idiot. bluedigger Feb 2013 #2
Like everyone else is? Since when is ME testing everyone? MADem Feb 2013 #22
Well how about them? They are getting paid by the citizens. They are government employees. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #29
Absolutely! FarPoint Mar 2013 #33
Yep. However, it really is a waste of money. FL has done it and come to find out it southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #47
Sorry....I didn't identify properly...my bad. FarPoint Mar 2013 #48
It's ok. Another old saying "A Pig can't smell it's own hole". Republicans are pigs. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #50
Hey, now! IrishAyes Mar 2013 #67
Actually I love pigs. In Germany pigs are good luck. I collect them. I just thought southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Mar 2013 #73
Random drug testing should be imposed AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #3
Random hell! bluedigger Feb 2013 #5
OK. I'm in with that. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #10
And test for alcohol!!! Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #14
LOL! bluedigger Feb 2013 #17
Allen's makes a coffee brandy? I never knew! MADem Feb 2013 #23
You have no idea... bluedigger Feb 2013 #24
How could I have missed this? I need to get out more! MADem Feb 2013 #25
Just stop at the State liquor store on 95 in NH. bluedigger Feb 2013 #28
I pass that store all the time when I go up to northern ME... MADem Mar 2013 #72
Brandy IrishAyes Mar 2013 #68
they like it mixed with 1/2 & 1/2 or milk. Maine-ah Feb 2013 #32
Sort of like a downscale Baileys! MADem Mar 2013 #36
Blender it with some cheap vanilla ice cream Mopar151 Mar 2013 #39
With a stiff penalty to booth roxy1234 Mar 2013 #56
Fuck her MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #4
Or, as Republicans call it... LTR Feb 2013 #6
And this is a DEMOCRAT? RT_Fanatic Feb 2013 #7
Rec for wider exposure. "everybody else" is drug tested? WTF? uppityperson Feb 2013 #8
They don't care because it was never about saving money . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #12
Also about MAKING money for whoever owns the firm responsible for testing... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #57
"Also about MAKING money for whoever owns the firm ..." That seems to be right. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #59
IIRC, this was tried in Florida and the cost of the testing Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #9
Fuck the Deficits!! We will spare NO expense 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #11
Not only that Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #15
The author of that Huffington Post article over-stated what the 11th Circuit did. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #60
How to respond: "I'll take a drug test if you'll take an IQ test." Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #13
Random drug testing violates the Fourth Amendment. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #16
what if your boss is the gov't? ie. the military. littlewolf Feb 2013 #18
The civilian Federal government doesn't really drug test. bluedigger Feb 2013 #31
Primary them. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #19
we can't! you don't understand. try and be sensible for gawds sake!!1 frylock Feb 2013 #26
but being back on subject: littlewolf Feb 2013 #20
I would think timdog44 Feb 2013 #21
Great point! I suggest she fill her pee cup in public so we can tell if it's really hers, too. freshwest Mar 2013 #44
Some lawmaker in Kansas timdog44 Mar 2013 #45
They're really arguing over disrespecting humans and treating them as animals. freshwest Mar 2013 #61
Sorry about the headache. Very aggravating. timdog44 Mar 2013 #62
Thanks. And agree with you on all your points. freshwest Mar 2013 #63
Thank you IrishAyes Mar 2013 #69
Thank you. Today is a better day. I hope that people will reason this out with open minds. freshwest Mar 2013 #70
that dime is getting thinner and thinner frylock Feb 2013 #27
What these bills are all about is convincing people nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #30
Damn it, it's poverty that CAUSES the drug use, not the other way around. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #34
what IS this garbage??? Skittles Mar 2013 #35
Drug testing for ANYONE is a gross violation of Constitutional rights Proletariatprincess Mar 2013 #37
Every study has shown that welfare recipients have lower incidences of drug use Fearless Mar 2013 #38
Linky? 1983law Mar 2013 #40
Here you go. PotatoChip Mar 2013 #53
Rock on 1983law Mar 2013 #65
Despicable davidthegnome Mar 2013 #41
I don't think the right reframed it better. The US always had a powerful puritanical streak. Selatius Mar 2013 #42
Well Bigredhunk Mar 2013 #43
This is nonsense, and it is isn't gonna fly. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #46
I hope a REAL Dem. primaries her, come the spring of 2014. PotatoChip Mar 2013 #54
She actually has been pretty progressive on most things, but this is just weird. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #64
So the "Democrat" representing Ed Muskie's hometown is a co-sponsor? WTF indeed. Scuba Mar 2013 #49
Let's drug test the politicians first! They, are the ones that can cause real harm to millions of RKP5637 Mar 2013 #51
Goodness! Turbineguy Mar 2013 #52
What a damn waste of money, too. mainer Mar 2013 #55
Those who test positive They_Live Mar 2013 #58
Sickening IrishAyes Mar 2013 #66
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