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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
32. Lincoln was a great man, a great president, a great human being. BUT
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jun 2020

this statue does in fact depict blacks as racially inferior.

While I can respect the opinion of those of you saying this is silly, I've got to say we've been reading an American 'story' designed to divide us. If we are going to defeat racism once and for all, we have to be honest with ourselves. We are all great storytellers, and we all tend to tell stories with ourselves in the role of the noble 'star.'

But the reality is that by perpetuating things like this statue, and allowing its powerful visual message to go unchallenged, we are not being honest. We need a new statue with Lincoln maybe shaking the hand of, or embracing a black man. Not one with a black man seeming to grovel at his feet.

I'm tired of living in a society where evangelical pastors talk about the 'blessings of slavery,' and Fox countering Michelle Obama's poignant observation that the WH was built by slaves by saying, oh, but they were happy and well fed slaves.

No. They were human beings enslaved by us.

WE did that. We have perpetuated it. And now we need to fix it with a massive retooling of the police system, better education, AND getting rid of statues like this. I mean, imagine how YOU might feel when confronted with this statue if you were a little boy or girl of color. It's just not OK. It is part of the problem.

Now this is just getting silly. N/T Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #1
To my surprise, he's actually not a dummy. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #4
Evidently not, but he's still misguided in this endeavor, IMO. N/T Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #6
Neither was Einstein. Igel Jun 2020 #45
agree onetexan Jun 2020 #30
I never thought it was particularly good art Warpy Jun 2020 #40
Agreed on the symbolism. Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #42
We tend to clad historic figures in a coat of virgin white marble gladium et scutum Jun 2020 #48
This will help Trump and the Republicans. jalan48 Jun 2020 #2
Yep, it certainly will. Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #11
Some background on the statue... lapucelle Jun 2020 #3
Nit to pick with the NPS: mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #7
Great catch. N/T lapucelle Jun 2020 #8
Defund the National Park Service! NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #9
... lapucelle Jun 2020 #15
The way some members of the Park Police act patrolling the Mall, you'd think they weren't even human mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #19
Quickly grab a pocket full of reductio ad absurdum and pretend validity! LanternWaste Jun 2020 #31
Alternately... Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #34
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #5
A link to Lew Rockwell is not welcome on DU. Could you find something else to make your point? scarletwoman Jun 2020 #17
+100 reACTIONary Jun 2020 #26
Lew Rockwell is a neo Confederate propagandist... reACTIONary Jun 2020 #28
Yeah, that's a little TOO much of a hit-piece on Lincoln. PatrickforO Jun 2020 #39
The statue trashing is starting to get out of hand and ibegurpard Jun 2020 #10
Here's Frederick Douglass's address given at the unveiling. lapucelle Jun 2020 #12
Why stop there? mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #13
Heard on Native American segment on AM950 radio (Minnesota) today how horrible he was progree Jun 2020 #14
Years ago, our church had a pastor who DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #16
Where will it end?!?!?!?!?!?! mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #21
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #18
I have to agree it's a degrading depiction of a black man. scarletwoman Jun 2020 #20
Agreed, it's a degrading depiction of a black man. Merlot Jun 2020 #23
Yes, both men standing together would make for an excellent statue. scarletwoman Jun 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #29
Agree. The image does not wear well at all. riversedge Jun 2020 #37
Which is why the request should be to replace, not remove the statue flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #35
Which is why the request should be to replace, not remove the statue flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #35
How about just the black man standing free with broken chains? Maeve Jun 2020 #43
Oh sure, let's not acknowledge the man who gave his life to free slaves & hold the country together Hekate Jun 2020 #46
Ever been to the Lincoln Memorial? Maeve Jun 2020 #50
Statues I want removed Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #22
This DC original has a copy in Boston appalachiablue Jun 2020 #25
Why do they hate Lincoln down south? keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #27
Good point. I've argued with neo-confederates treestar Jun 2020 #52
Lincoln was a great man, a great president, a great human being. BUT PatrickforO Jun 2020 #32
I read a book once by an anti-slavery minister. raging moderate Jun 2020 #33
Interesting and plausible theory, Moderate flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #38
Because enslavement was just so not-degrading that it cannot be depicted like this. Hekate Jun 2020 #41
a shallow symbolism akin to right wing treestar Jun 2020 #53
Anyone know the Abraham song from "Holiday Inn"? Maeve Jun 2020 #44
That we are not talking about His Majesty Washington I is the reason we give him points tirebiter Jun 2020 #47
Look - squirrel! GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #49
Succinct DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #51
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