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alp227

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Fri May 22, 2020, 12:24 AM May 2020

University of California Will End Use of SAT and ACT in Admissions [View all]

Source: New York Times

SACRAMENTO — The University of California on Thursday voted to phase out the SAT and ACT as requirements to apply to its system of 10 schools, which include some of the nation’s most popular campuses, in a decision with major implications for the use of standardized tests in college admissions.

Given the size and influence of the California system, whose marquee schools include the University of California, Los Angeles, and the University of California, Berkeley, the move is expected to accelerate the momentum of American colleges away from the tests, amid charges that they are unfair to poor, black and Hispanic students.

The school system’s action, which follows many small liberal arts colleges, comes as the ACT and the College Board, a nonprofit organization that administers the SAT, are suffering financially from the cancellation of test dates during the coronavirus pandemic. One critic of the industry estimated that the College Board had lost $45 million in revenue this spring.

Although many students will likely continue to take the exams as long as they are required by highly competitive schools like Stanford and those in the Ivy League, California’s decision will clearly be a blow to the image of the tests, and experts said it could tip the balance for other schools in deciding whether to eliminate them.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/university-california-sat-act.html



This article explains that private schools like Smith and Chicago have gone test optional recently. However, there's a difference between highly selective private schools like those vs. a state's entire research university system.

The last five years - online misinformation, the resurrection of vaccine phobia and anti-Semitism from the graveyard of history, the inability for the general public to understand the science behind coronavirus - have shown me (a Millennial) we need critical reasoning more than ever. For those older than me, I'm sure you'd say the last 10, 15, or 20 years...if you have a case for 30, 40, or 50+ I'd love to hear it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a more socially equal society. But dumbing down the academic standards of the nation's greatest public university system is NOT the way to go about it. Instead, give disadvantaged groups more access to the resources they need to be successful with the SAT. For crying out loud, it's 2020, and with resources like Khan Academy who the hell needs to drop thousands of dollars for SAT prep?

There's already enough anti-intellectualism coming out of AM radio, social media, blogs, and sadly the White House too. Why the hell is the UC system joining in on that?
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But these tests don't test critical reasoning. The SAT is mostly a vocabulary and reading test pnwmom May 2020 #1
GOOD!!! LovingA2andMI May 2020 #2
You're conflating the fitness of the SAT and ACT admissions tests with the general public's lack of Yavin4 May 2020 #3
Then how come the SAT was called the SAT Reasoning Test? alp227 May 2020 #6
Most students do well based on the prep courses and other materials JI7 May 2020 #9
They thought it worked as a "brand," since they decided calling it an "Aptitude" test pnwmom May 2020 #11
I did shitty on my SATs, but I got through undergrad with little to no problem. Yavin4 May 2020 #21
Another thing some people don't realize is that some of the best students pnwmom May 2020 #28
Do you have kids in school now? Yavin4 May 2020 #20
Therein lies the problem. Note these tests are owned by private companies and it's all about money. onetexan May 2020 #29
spend your entire high school yrs playing w/your phone in class and can't pass the SAT? msongs May 2020 #4
Who wants to pay higher education money when you can't go to the higher education campus? Initech May 2020 #5
I agree LeftInTX May 2020 #7
They often benefit those with money and hurt the poor JI7 May 2020 #8
If prep courses improve your score... Yavin4 May 2020 #22
It's always been the ability to take the test. JI7 May 2020 #23
Not enough enrollees due to costs rickyhall May 2020 #10
Standards in teaching should not be dropped BUT onlyadream May 2020 #12
The common core has big intrinsic problems too, though. Squinch May 2020 #14
Common core isn't perfect but onlyadream May 2020 #32
I don't think Smith and Chicago are dumbing down anything. Squinch May 2020 #13
The SAT test has its origins in anti-Semitism. madaboutharry May 2020 #15
Standardized test scores are not the best predictors of college success. Lonestarblue May 2020 #16
I learn more off well-selected YouTube and Open Culture than I did in most college courses bucolic_frolic May 2020 #17
So now we are saying the only thing SAT and ACT measured is White cultural bias and vocabulary? Ford_Prefect May 2020 #18
The SAT and ACT was the only way I got into college as a non diagnosed dyslexic in '69. marble falls May 2020 #19
I agree, teach critical reasoning, and dump SAT/ACT biased by design against the underprivileged. 0nirevets May 2020 #24
It's possible to be pro intellectualism AND be against the SAT/ACT tests Yavin4 May 2020 #25
But don't good grades come FROM understanding the material? alp227 May 2020 #26
To a large extent, education today has become a giant video game... Yavin4 May 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar May 2020 #30
I understand the objection to these tests, but.... Happy Hoosier May 2020 #31
Hmmm.... Xolodno May 2020 #33
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