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matt819

(10,749 posts)
32. STFU, Nadler
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:07 PM
Aug 2019

Go talk to your colleague. Don't air your complaints.

Regardless of the origin of the cartoon, you know that it's not off base. What it's portraying is exactly what happened.

I am so sick and tired of these sort of knee jerk responses.

Hey, look, I grew up in the 50s and 60s in NYC believing that Israel was our country as much as the US. I could have gone and claimed Israeli citizenship. I knew people who lost family in the Holocaust. Every time Jewish organizations knocked on the door, my parents gave, and they proudly displayed their I Gave sticker on the front door. Most neighbors were Jewish, though not all.

But you know something? I grew up. I changed, America changed, Israel changed. I still have relatives who remain (blindly?) loyal to Israel, and they do not see this as a conflict with their status as second generation Americans. I don't. And Israel has made quite a few questionable decisions in the past decade or more, and as a result Palestinians are suffering, and non-Jews in Israel are now second-class citizens. America has to have a realistic relationship with Israel, not a fawning one based on realities that no longer exist.

So, Nadler, STFU. You got a problem? Talk to Rep. Tlaib and (horrors?) the Squad. You're all Democrats, and only as a united bloc - even one with differences - will you, and we, regain power in Washington. These sorts of internecine squabbles just play into the hands of the anti-Semites, Islamophobes (though it's not so much phobia as it is hate), white supremacists, and nationalists.

We get it. Now just stop it.

Isn't that what Trump and Netanyahu did exboyfil Aug 2019 #1
Exactly sandensea Aug 2019 #6
Trump cannot deny entry to Israel to any one question everything Aug 2019 #25
So it's the cartoonist, not the cartoon? BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #2
The arms in blue sleeves with the star of david in the middle is portraying the Israeli flag. Mosby Aug 2019 #22
It was Israel that they were banned from visiting, after Trump suggested it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #35
There were weeks of backstory. Igel Aug 2019 #62
It's Israel that is being represented in the cartoon. BuddhaGirl Aug 2019 #37
Demonizing the one Jewish country in the world is Antisemitic. Mosby Aug 2019 #54
I disagree BuddhaGirl Aug 2019 #68
Criticizing Israel is not automatically anti-Semitic. yardwork Aug 2019 #75
So is the issue the use of the Star of David? I'm pretty sure I've seen Christian crosses pnwmom Aug 2019 #3
trump isn't Jewish. why include the star of David ? JI7 Aug 2019 #14
Because the issue for both men is the women's speaking out on Israel. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #15
Chrisitan crosses have never been used to incite mobs to murder Christians question everything Aug 2019 #26
This cartoon isn't an effort to incite mobs to murder anyone. pnwmom Aug 2019 #29
The KKK was and is Anti-Catholic, it has always been Protestant... Thomas Hurt Aug 2019 #77
Christian crosses have been burned and used to incite mobs to murder AfAms who were Christian. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #84
Maybe I'm missing something... MontanaMama Aug 2019 #4
Ditto elleng Aug 2019 #5
And why would Jerry be MontanaMama Aug 2019 #7
I agree. elleng Aug 2019 #8
That's it. MontanaMama Aug 2019 #9
We're "Both-Siding" Ourselves Now. jayfish Aug 2019 #12
It's vile to conservative snowflakes who can't stand it if someone doesn't kiss Trump's ass 100%. Initech Aug 2019 #10
Nadler is a conservative snowflake? (nt) stopdiggin Aug 2019 #31
Yes. question everything Aug 2019 #27
I'd call it not so much vile as Igel Aug 2019 #63
+1 treestar Aug 2019 #64
"Vile Underlying Message"? DallasNE Aug 2019 #11
The blue arms plus the Star of David equal Israeli flag Grokenstein Aug 2019 #34
Exactly. The Star of David implies Jews were trying to silence them, which is dishonest at best still_one Aug 2019 #41
Yes, American Jews, whom Israeli Jews wish would not meddle in their affairs. Israel has banned emmaverybo Aug 2019 #42
Finkelstein is a holocaust denier. I don't care if he is Jewish, Kapo's we're Jews also still_one Aug 2019 #43
Well, news to me. Both parents were in concentration camps. If that is true, then certainly emmaverybo Aug 2019 #44
THis has nothing to do with his parents. He maintains that Jews only use the holocaust as a money still_one Aug 2019 #45
Sad. He has deep problems n/m RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #73
No. He has been defamed as a holocaust denier because he has accused Israel of exploiting emmaverybo Aug 2019 #46
He does in a devious way by minimizing it. I am not going to debate this discussion with you still_one Aug 2019 #47
Take your marbles and go home. You absolutely can not show that Finkelstein denies the holocaust. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #48
Ya got the last word still_one Aug 2019 #49
Netanyahu is Jewish and the leader of Israel. Not all Jews were trying to ban them, pnwmom Aug 2019 #52
So. What does Netanyahu being Jewish have to do with his attrocious policies? still_one Aug 2019 #55
Nothing. The imagery in the cartoon comes from the Israeli flag. pnwmom Aug 2019 #57
The Israeli flag implies ISRAEL is trying to silence them, which is exactly what happened. FreeLookMode Aug 2019 #82
Israel barred two American members of Congress from coming to Israel to speak. pnwmom Aug 2019 #51
The Star of David is saying Jews, Trump, and Netenyahu are trying to silence them. American Jews still_one Aug 2019 #39
Using of the Star of David isn't just political, i.e. Israel as a nation today. It's use in Nazi 24601 Aug 2019 #74
I know. It is a dog whistle that some seem so willing to ignore still_one Aug 2019 #76
it's offensive becsuse it makes it seem like jews are trying JI7 Aug 2019 #13
Netanyahu banned them, and then told one she could only come if she didn't speak. pnwmom Aug 2019 #16
So It Is The Source Of The Message DallasNE Aug 2019 #23
The cartoon isn't from some holocaust cartoon contest... SergeStorms Aug 2019 #24
Latuff is a "Palestinians can do no wrong" asshole. Archae Aug 2019 #17
Do you really think this is worth igniting another intraparty public feud? BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #19
She should know better and do better The Mouth Aug 2019 #21
What is the offensive imagery? Picturing Netanyahu in a cartoon? I'm sure I've seen crosses pnwmom Aug 2019 #50
There is nothing wrong with promulgating antisemitism-tinged cartoons because... JudyM Aug 2019 #28
Latuff is a well-known judeophob, and it's simply not believable Tlaib isn't aware of that. If she.. Marengo Aug 2019 #30
Taliab needs to exercise better judgement stopdiggin Aug 2019 #33
Fair enough BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #53
There are Israel can do no wrong people too treestar Aug 2019 #66
Yes there are. BUT... Archae Aug 2019 #67
So it sounds like the Palestinians are all bad people treestar Aug 2019 #69
I never said that! Archae Aug 2019 #70
It's time you stopped blaming them all treestar Aug 2019 #71
+1 BuddhaGirl Aug 2019 #72
Agreed. LuvNewcastle Aug 2019 #78
+1 Bettie Aug 2019 #80
I guess the Star of David is the problem (?) Mike 03 Aug 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Aug 2019 #20
STFU, Nadler matt819 Aug 2019 #32
100% that was great, on virtually every point! (nt) stopdiggin Aug 2019 #36
Thank you BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #38
My thoughts as well bluestarone Aug 2019 #40
Great rant! yardwork Aug 2019 #60
Thank you. Owl Aug 2019 #79
Well said Bettie Aug 2019 #81
So if you criticize a country's policies your some kind of racist njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #56
Even more so when the country being criticized is Israel Devil Child Aug 2019 #59
Yes, anti-semitism seems to be equivalent treestar Aug 2019 #65
Tlaib had the high ground after what happened with the trip to Israel. She should have kept it. Chemisse Aug 2019 #58
What am I missing here? Schmice3 Aug 2019 #61
A cartoon that spells out the flag of Israel is a perfect and apt criticism of Israeli government FreeLookMode Aug 2019 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #85
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