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PatrickforO

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21. Let me try and explain it in a way that cracks open the myths surrounding
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 10:52 PM
Mar 2019

the NPV compact.

From my perspective, we've had three presidential elections stolen since the year 2000. Three. This last one, Clinton had 2.9 million more votes than Trump. 2.9 million. Yet, due to the electoral college system, Russian hackers were able to help Trump win by 25-35K votes in key districts in a couple of swing states. And because of that, he won the Electoral College vote, but not the people's vote.

This is an explanation from the official site, which I encourage you to visit. Here is the link to that site: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/answering-myths

As a Coloradan, I supported this effort.

Now, before the excerpt, let me say one more thing: you can tell a tree by its fruit. The Democrats are generally FOR this because electing a president based on the national popular vote is more, well, democratic than relying on an antiquated group of people using a system designed to prop up slave states. The people against NPV? You guessed it. Nearly ALL Republicans.

The small states (the 13 states with only three or four electoral votes) are the most disadvantaged and ignored group of states under the current state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes. The reason is that political power in presidential elections comes from being a closely divided battleground state, and almost all of the small states are noncompetitive states in presidential elections.

The small states are not ignored because of their low population, but because they are not closely divided battleground states. The 12 small non-battleground states have about the same population (12 million) as the closely divided battleground state of Ohio. The 12 small states have 40 electoral votes—more than twice Ohio’s 18 electoral votes. However, Ohio received 73 of 253 post-convention campaign events in 2012, while the 12 small non-battleground states received none.

The current state-by-state winner-take-all system actually shifts power from voters in the small and medium-sized states to voters in a handful of big states that happen to be closely divided battleground states in presidential elections.

The fact that the small states are disadvantaged by the current state-by-state winner-take-all system has long been recognized by prominent officials from those states. In 1966, Delaware led a group of 12 predominantly small states in suing New York (then a closely divided battleground state) in the U.S. Supreme Court in an effort to get state winner-take-all statutes declared unconstitutional.

Under the current state-by-state winner-take-all system, a vote for President in Wyoming is equal to a vote in California—both are politically irrelevant.
YES, let's do that ailsagirl Mar 2019 #1
Like the sound of that! Blue Owl Mar 2019 #2
I really don't like this. El Supremo Mar 2019 #3
America would be a much different (and better) place now Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #4
ME/NE don't split them based on popular vote. They split them based on Congressional Districts. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #5
That's still bettern than waiting for the national popular vote. El Supremo Mar 2019 #12
NOOOOOOOOO!!! gerrymandering makes this a horrible idea! nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2019 #17
No shit! FoxNewsSucks Mar 2019 #26
Is there such a thing as gerrymandering a national election? BlueIdaho Mar 2019 #49
The poster suggested allocating electoral votes by congressional districts. Lucky Luciano Mar 2019 #50
Ahhhh... BlueIdaho Mar 2019 #51
Eliminate the middle man, in this case that is the Electoral College Perseus Mar 2019 #6
All states won't. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #9
I don't understand why 1 person 1 vote is not a superior methodology. Gore1FL Mar 2019 #10
Entitlement. They are "better" than city folk. gtar100 Mar 2019 #19
Either your way or the one proposed by the article works for me. I just want the electoral votes to iluvtennis Mar 2019 #11
Let me try and explain it in a way that cracks open the myths surrounding PatrickforO Mar 2019 #21
Thank you for that. Quite enlightening... pangaia Mar 2019 #22
Yes. That's a nice adjustment. Each vote controls individually by popular vote California_Republic Mar 2019 #27
I wonder if this would have a better chance of getting through Chemisse Mar 2019 #34
Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!! Talitha Mar 2019 #7
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Mar 2019 #8
I think the DNC should focus on apportionment instead. toddwv Mar 2019 #13
We don't need no stinkin' constitution. N/T MRubio Mar 2019 #14
The Constitution doesn't specify how a state decides its electoral votes eallen Mar 2019 #18
You'd have made a great point, if that's what I was arguing. N/T MRubio Mar 2019 #20
Right. It used to be a lot worse. El Supremo Mar 2019 #23
Correct - - however melm00se Mar 2019 #32
Is that legal? Or does it subvert the will of the people of that state? Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #15
We'll see if we can get enough states to make this work ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #16
It MIGHT be unConstitutional though Polybius Mar 2019 #24
probably constitutional, esp if they get consent of congress scipan Mar 2019 #47
How does this help us if only the blue states do it? subterranean Mar 2019 #25
It doesn't. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #38
It does not change anything until states with 270 votes legislate it. Then it would ALWAYS elect karynnj Mar 2019 #44
You're not disagreeing with me. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #46
no, it only goes into effect if 270 votes worth sign on. scipan Mar 2019 #48
The EC must be eliminated, if we are ever to have a true democracy. By any means necessary applies GrannyW Mar 2019 #28
Makes me want to leave Tn .. Irishxs Mar 2019 #29
Blue states ought to band together to destroy hate-radio maxrandb Mar 2019 #30
Blue states ought to band together to destroy hate-radio MRubio Mar 2019 #31
Your post makes no sense maxrandb Mar 2019 #33
Perhaps if those living in blue states who don't like certain radio and TV channels would...... MRubio Mar 2019 #41
Sure, I can understand. A logical path to take after hillary Maxheader Mar 2019 #35
I can live with Democracy DrToast Mar 2019 #43
I can't imagine this scheme ever working. pintobean Mar 2019 #36
March Forth!!! eck Zach tly Mar 2019 #37
well freedom2020 Mar 2019 #39
All you need is 270 electoral votes EricMaundry Mar 2019 #40
We Need This ASAP colsohlibgal Mar 2019 #42
How is it a remnant of the Civil War? clementine613 Mar 2019 #45
Here is a pretty good explanation EricMaundry Mar 2019 #52
This is good news Gothmog Mar 2019 #53
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