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50. Well, yes. It's what I've been saying all year. It can be made to appear that we lost key races...

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:44 PM

Jul 2018

...by a razor thin margin, but not thin enough to require a recount. It can be made to appear that a 3rd party candidate shaved off enough disgruntled voters to kill off Democratic votes. It can be made to appear that certain states or districts were bafflingly more "red" that polls showed.

It can be made to appear that for the first time in the history of elections, exit polls were wildly wrong, so lets not do those any more rather than figuring out what actually went wrong. As happened when Bush "won" over Gore.

Or it can be made to appear that someone was having a little fun, as when Max Cleland's results came in 181818 all over the place.

Talk of a blue wave makes my teeth itch. Lawrence O'Donnell gloating awhile back made me want to throw things at the tv.

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Voting-Machine Vendor Put Remote-Access Software on Systems Sold to U.S. [View all] DonViejo Jul 2018 OP

Putin calling! truthisfreedom Jul 2018 #1

And there it is... Zoonart Jul 2018 #2

If by it you mean a potential way for someone to manipulate and change election results cstanleytech Jul 2018 #41

I'd say voter/vote suppression was at least equally important Crash2Parties Jul 2018 #76

Modern-day ballot stuffing. sandensea Jul 2018 #3

I'm calling my registrar today Roy Rolling Jul 2018 #4

Our Late Andy Stephenson knew this in 2004... FarPoint Jul 2018 #5

Andy... Hekate Jul 2018 #44

That's us.... FarPoint Jul 2018 #64

+1... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2018 #56

which states have used these machines? AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #6

It doesn't matter - all brands are suspect FakeNoose Jul 2018 #12

The purpose of the 2000 election theft was to lay the groundwork for electronic machines, lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #33

Dead on!! It was a plan the was ready to be implemented. Review the time line from Bush being handed usaf-vet Jul 2018 #45

In California, counties choose the system, and ES&S is used in a few counties Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #16

Yikes! Diebold, Sequoia & ES&S for the vast majority! Crash2Parties Jul 2018 #77

Not unlike 'The Big Three' of the automotive industry Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #89

Voting machines in OH in 2004 were manipulated from secondwind Jul 2018 #7

No Botany Jul 2018 #11

No? Aren't you saying the same thing as the post you responded to? brush Jul 2018 #13

The voting machines in OH were not manipulated from TN Botany Jul 2018 #21

Oh, a slight difference. The OH vote count was manipulated in Tenn. brush Jul 2018 #24

The OH vote count was manipulated inside the state too. Botany Jul 2018 #27

Agreed. The repugs use every dirty trick in the book to steal elections. brush Jul 2018 #29

Ohio got all new machines in 2008 JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #26

Pen and paper. Hire a few students to do the counting. Fuck off Russians, hack that! Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #31

You would find a lot of Sergeis and Natashas volunteering to "count"... (n/t) Moostache Jul 2018 #38

And MOOSTACHE, dear fellow Liberal, leave us not forget The_REAL_Ecumenist Jul 2018 #69

I don't think it'd be hard to cheat with paper & pen. JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #71

A lot easier to hand count than you seem to think unc70 Jul 2018 #80

In Ohio we watch our vote get printed in real time. JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #81

Nearly all of NC is now machine counted unc70 Jul 2018 #82

Little profit in pen and paper and not much campaign contributions from the corporations. Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #84

And I see that as a failsafe. JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #87

Good lord, counting by paper is done with great faith all over the world. Independent monitors and Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #83

Would you trust a vote counter in a MAGA hat? JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #85

OK. Then pay the counters for the day, the cost of that compared to the cost of lack of faith in the Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #86

In Ohio we pay $120 JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #88

Yes we indeed need.. FarPoint Jul 2018 #40

Paper colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #8

Because all the people in power right now, including little putin, were "voted" in Farmer-Rick Jul 2018 #18

Paper, Not Vapor! lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #34

Ireland trashed theirs when they realized how vulnerable they were rurallib Jul 2018 #42

You can have both Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #72

All these voting machines should be trashed immediately FakeNoose Jul 2018 #9

WTF?! KPN Jul 2018 #10

Whoops! ES&S is sorry about that. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #14

I do Tech Support. This is not unusal nor an anomaly. bitterross Jul 2018 #15

There should always be an open support case that the customer initiated. Bayard Jul 2018 #19

Physically cannot access it. bitterross Jul 2018 #60

not to mention the venders have been lying about it for years questionseverything Jul 2018 #61

In 2004, when this went down Calista241 Jul 2018 #93

Remember when purchasing the electronic voting machines were the big rage? TxVietVet Jul 2018 #17

K + R Raastan Jul 2018 #20

And here we gooooooooooooooooo! yuiyoshida Jul 2018 #22

They are used to "count up final results from the voting machines" Chemisse Jul 2018 #23

If they have the ability to change the vote totals, why didn't trump also win the popular vote, to Meadowoak Jul 2018 #32

Overuse would have been a dead giveaway, if indeed this was used to 'adjust' totals in key states. Chemisse Jul 2018 #37

Who is surprised? think4yourself Jul 2018 #25

Voting is a fundamental and basic right we are being deprived of karin_sj Jul 2018 #28

KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Jul 2018 #30

Paper ballots. That's all. muntrv Jul 2018 #35

What more do we need? scarytomcat Jul 2018 #36

Perfect timing for this post. WhiteTara Jul 2018 #39

My brother has been telling me this for 16 years DFW Jul 2018 #43

I remember the trigger for me in the old DU discussions: "secret source code"... Hekate Jul 2018 #48

Gee could this be why the GOP is unconcerned about a blue wave midterm? workinclasszero Jul 2018 #46

Well, yes. It's what I've been saying all year. It can be made to appear that we lost key races... Hekate Jul 2018 #50

Will we ever know how badly Hillary beat Dotard Traitor? workinclasszero Jul 2018 #53

As we know, Hillary's "loss" was a perfect storm of events, never just one thing Hekate Jul 2018 #57

All true no doubt workinclasszero Jul 2018 #59

Here's how much hassle it is to use pen&paper ballots: DetlefK Jul 2018 #47

+1000000 Hekate Jul 2018 #58

we should be demanding paper ballots..........................now turbinetree Jul 2018 #49

Agreed, although it won't happen. bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #52

We have a little over 3 months to demand that paper ballots be used............... turbinetree Jul 2018 #55

I used to work for a company in the gaming industry onlyadream Jul 2018 #51

Teresa Heinz Kerry warned about this back in 2005 LongTomH Jul 2018 #54

How come not one person is advocating paper ballots counted by humans? CrispyQ Jul 2018 #62

Who would have thought? Cheeto's a Stalinist. sandensea Jul 2018 #63

IMO - get this fixed, and the Democratic Party will have the largest win in the history of the U.S. C Moon Jul 2018 #65

The next step is to let our elected Democratic officials know paper is a priority pecosbob Jul 2018 #66

Not a new issue ZERTErYNOthe Jul 2018 #67

dumb... Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #68

Duh. LOts of us have been screaming about this potential since they stole 2004. Amaryllis Jul 2018 #70

There must be an innocent explanation, right? BobTheSubgenius Jul 2018 #73

Ban electronic voting. Use serial numbered, thumb printed tear-off paper ballots in 3,142 counties ancianita Jul 2018 #74

I like your idea GregD Jul 2018 #91

+1 ancianita Jul 2018 #75

WTF????? You know what? If we go back to paper ballots and locked boxes, or better yet, mail in PatrickforO Jul 2018 #78

Before This DallasNE Jul 2018 #79

Wired and wireless GregD Jul 2018 #90

And servers. And counts disguised as official data streamed to various state and federal end points. ancianita Jul 2018 #92