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Hekate

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105. Both Pelosi and Schumer hold the line against the GOP on vote after vote, so GOP gets nothing...
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 01:34 PM
Nov 2017

...from us. That is an important part of leadership in the current circumstances. In other words, when the Trumpists want to achieve something nasty, they have to do it without a single Dem vote to assist them.

What Pelosi and Schumer do not do is throw away votes on creating symbolic bills that have zero chance of success -- such as, for instance, impeachment. As long as Republicans vote as a bloc to sustain Trump, as long as Republicans fail to see the light, it is worse than a stalemate. A million tweets will be generated: "I am so great I survived impeachment!"

Our best hope is to peel Republicans away from the GOP bloc -- not "coax" Democrats. Dems are already with Pelosi and Schumer.

But how are they going to peel away GOPers? How do you think? By letting Mueller continue to do his job.

Watch Mueller's progress, and watch individual Repub politicians' reactions, and use that as a wedge.

Stop trying to get rid of Nancy Pelosi. She's the best weapon we have.

And send her a Democratic majority. She'll certainly know how to use it.

Because this way has worked so well? SHRED Nov 2017 #1
Yeah, let's whip up the base with boredom - Dems love that stuff. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #12
todays winner! 7962 Nov 2017 #21
We want 2018's wins. The types who are prone to imagine Hortensis Nov 2017 #25
Didn't the DNC come up with sonething pretty close to that? pangaia Nov 2017 #27
Remember when they tried to float the exhilarating "We can do better." NBachers Nov 2017 #58
Better watch it. Posts have been hidden for less. Lol pangaia Nov 2017 #65
What about training a brigade of mimes to go out and pantomime our message to the masses? NBachers Nov 2017 #69
Think they would get it? pangaia Nov 2017 #96
The right ideas are the ones that allow a win in 18 and impeachment isn't one of them. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #74
Timidity is not a winning idea. Impeachment is because it is necessary for national survival. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #81
/THIS InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #87
Why is it a good idea to push something that has no chance of passing...we look like powerless Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #110
I hope it is not necessary for survival because we have no mechanism for making it happen. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #111
The right ideas are right. I agree. pangaia Nov 2017 #95
You don't run on universal ideas...we have Democratic principles...all very good. Some will work Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #109
get ...people ... who have NOT voted DEM to understand ... lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #120
Um.. whathehell Nov 2017 #126
I will be 69 in April - born April 10th, 1949. NBachers Nov 2017 #128
If the choice is between hysterical melodrama and boredom, I'll go with boredom every time. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #31
Well, let's hope that cooler heads prevail lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #36
Do we have the votes? Or are we still a minority in the House? Hekate Nov 2017 #60
Dems are whipped up...and if you whip up the GOP in red areas that we could win... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73
Right?! KPN Nov 2017 #13
all you will do is give the GOP a way to fire up their base...vote for us or IMPEACHMENT. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72
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Remind me again why she is such a revered figure here on DU? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #3
Do we have the votes? Or are we still a minority in the House? Hekate Nov 2017 #61
We are a minority in the House, but PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #68
Because she has a brain. And if we listen to her we may win. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #75
Just like we've been winning for the past few election cycles, right? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #98
If some progressives had listened to Nancy Pelosi, Trump would not be president...they have only Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #108
Sucks, but impeachment proceedings would need Republicans in the current House. Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #4
Focusing on issues that voters care about is "pandering"? brooklynite Nov 2017 #70
What evidence is there that a majority of Americans want Trump impeached? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #76
That's my point; talking about impeachment is pandering to the Democratic base, not actual voters. brooklynite Nov 2017 #99
Maybe you didn't request the drama, Ms. Pelosi, but it's here. Girard442 Nov 2017 #5
Do we have the votes? Hekate Nov 2017 #62
We don't have the votes...and we still have to get through trying to stop Trump. I fail to Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #78
I've said it before Curtis Nov 2017 #6
Where there is no chance of conviction in the Senate, why just go though the motions? SFnomad Nov 2017 #10
Because look at the results: going through the motions works better than playing dead! lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #15
There is a big difference between voting for a bill that had no chance of becoming law and SFnomad Nov 2017 #22
Impeachment is a tool for "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #24
Yes, those pesky, pesky laws . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #29
If you go through with impeachment and know you don't have the votes to get SFnomad Nov 2017 #40
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #41
Show me where the votes are and I will enthusiastically support impeachment. Hekate Nov 2017 #63
Votes don't magically appear. They have to be coaxed; there has to be something to vote for. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #80
Both Pelosi and Schumer hold the line against the GOP on vote after vote, so GOP gets nothing... Hekate Nov 2017 #105
'peel Republicans away from the GOP bloc' lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #119
So Articles of Impeachment have a chance without a single GOP vote? Talk about a fantasy. Hekate Nov 2017 #122
You are missing the timescale. This has to be pushed before, and then after, the mid-terms lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #127
That is nonsense. There is no evidence that will help us at all and may make Trump a sympathetic Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #82
Are you implying that I didn't vote for HRC? I did, in the general. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #84
I never imply...I just come out and say it...so the answer is no...now Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #114
Ok, I'll lay it out. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #121
Huge difference Curtis Nov 2017 #43
silence by the democrats bluecollar2 Nov 2017 #46
Refuse to be silent... resist... impeach!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #90
Because when your country is attacked by a hostile foreign power, meadowlander Nov 2017 #51
If Pelosi doesn't start impeachment, we need to force our reps to remove her adigal Nov 2017 #42
We need to win the House and Senate first burrowowl Nov 2017 #53
You can't even introduce legislation unless you have the majority...and all you will do is help the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #83
Ahhh...more of the "If we're nice to them,they'll be nice to us" theory........ Bengus81 Nov 2017 #7
OK,,,,, MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #26
You infer that, though she did not imply it. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #35
It is not about being nice. It is about being realistic. You can't remove him without the House Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #85
I remember... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #89
I am glad the ad runs on Fux News BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #8
"Off the table" Nancy. Still. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #9
NOTHING should be off the table!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #91
absolutely. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #94
Article says that she says this publicly, but feels differently privately. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #11
Thanks. elleng Nov 2017 #32
Yes Hekate Nov 2017 #64
Attacking democrats is not allowed on this site. moda253 Nov 2017 #14
He posted an article with her opinion. How is that an attack? 7962 Nov 2017 #23
Pelosi: Impeachment is Off the Table!! radhika Nov 2017 #16
Protecting republicans seems to be her main function FiveGoodMen Nov 2017 #44
I just don't get it. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #56
"No-Drama Democrats"? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2017 #17
You don't want to fuck up Mueller's investigation by prematurely starting a campaign to Nitram Nov 2017 #18
That's true. But his ads started before the indictments. But yes...we don't want to appear Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #20
I don't know. I'm not a political strategist. But as a voter, I HATE the "better deal" meme. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #19
i like Nancy.. I always have..shes measured and cautious and.. yep.. samnsara Nov 2017 #28
ditto elleng Nov 2017 #38
WTH Nancy Pelosi.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #30
why must we play nice? elmac Nov 2017 #33
this reminds me of when pelosi kept saying, "we're keeping our power dry" Javaman Nov 2017 #34
Pelosi does have a point... Rollo Nov 2017 #37
Yes, for sure things will change after next year FakeNoose Nov 2017 #49
Uh-unh. Nope. Not this time, Ms. Pelosi. Paladin Nov 2017 #39
I wish we would just move to muzzle Trump SkatmanRoth Nov 2017 #45
And that strategy will get us nowhere, just like now. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #47
Agree with her. As will anyone who understands the House. GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #48
Nothing wrong with her playing the good cop, marybourg Nov 2017 #50
This is typical politico headline bullshit to divide Democrats. Pelosi is right, there is nothing still_one Nov 2017 #52
Thank you. betsuni Nov 2017 #55
You are right. The reactionary headline has just that purpose still_one Nov 2017 #57
It is Classic Politico. They are Pot Stirrers, Republicans funded emulatorloo Nov 2017 #102
yup still_one Nov 2017 #104
Thanks. My gods, they never learn, do they? Hekate Nov 2017 #59
This! Thank you! Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #54
Dumb kneejerk reactions feom the usual. SEND NANCY A HOUSE MAJORITY & SHE WILL IMPEACH... Hekate Nov 2017 #66
The demands for Pelosi to impeach now are short sighted and dangerous. Akoto Nov 2017 #67
Pelosi, this is why DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #71
She can not talk about that now .... this is the smart play Botany Nov 2017 #77
She's a brilliant woman and she's doing a fantastic job. I trust her... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #79
Remember that Pelosi took Bush/Cheney War Crimes "off the table". Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #86
Looking back SHRED Nov 2017 #92
no need to feed the rightwing...democrats should run on taking back our country beachbum bob Nov 2017 #88
Gotta keep that powder dry, ammirite? WoonTars Nov 2017 #97
Explain how discussing Impeachment would be useful. brooklynite Nov 2017 #100
Because the people want to know that if they elect the Dems into a majority... WoonTars Nov 2017 #106
No, they don't.... brooklynite Nov 2017 #112
Uh huh....okay... WoonTars Nov 2017 #124
How about, let's do things that will prove to be effective? brooklynite Nov 2017 #125
Hey! We're Democrats. Our job is to turn the other cheek and do nothing. Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #101
Abso-fucking-lutely! WoonTars Nov 2017 #107
So how does it happen? Explain the House process (getting to floor) ...finding the needed votes. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #115
You're right. I might be hard, so let's just not even try. nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #123
way to go! keep that powder dry! 0rganism Nov 2017 #103
She's right. sandensea Nov 2017 #113
It is not even that...you won't get rid of Trump without 2/3 of the senate voting for conviction. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #116
Sure. sandensea Nov 2017 #117
That's fine... She doesn't want to overplay the hand Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #118
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