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karynnj

(59,501 posts)
32. Who is "they" and who do "they" negotiate with?
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:37 AM
Oct 2016

From the maps I have seen showing who controls what, it is a crazy patchwork quilt rather than a few simple, easily definable areas that are internally homogeneous supporting one faction or another. In addition, Syria is the size of Washington state - which might easily be split into liberal western Washington state and more rural, more conservative eastern Washington state.

There were complaints that the US and Russia should not be negotiating a ceasefire, but that the Syrian regime and the rebels should - and what likely really destroyed the agreement is that Russia actually joined the regime in violating it and the US could not get the rebels to trust us enough to actually take what would have been very difficult steps to sever ties with Al Nusra. As long as they thought that Al Nusra was more helpful in defeating Assad than the US would be, many of them chose Al Nusra. As Kerry said, Al Nusra was AQ and it would be crazy to support it.

What this shows is that as horrendous as the situation is, both the rebels (including Al Nusra) and Assad both think that a military solution could give them more than a political solution would. Only when BOTH realize that they are destroying what they are fighting over and that they would be better off not dying in the hopes of being the winner who will take all will ANY diplomatic/political solution - which could include partitions - be possible.

The main thing Kerry worked so hard to create was a ceasefire that would create the political space to move forward.

Putin is inwardly jumping for joy (hates the fact the USSR lost against the world) but outwardly BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #1
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why do you care so much? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #3
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Welcome to DU. What happens in Russia only affects Russians? uppityperson Oct 2016 #4
Have you, uh... Been keeping up with what's going on? Blue_Tires Oct 2016 #5
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Yeah, your whole red menace crap is BS. Americans have no problems with Russian citizens. FSogol Oct 2016 #7
another young liberal has gone west nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #9
LOL, "Leave Putin Alone....." FSogol Oct 2016 #10
Poor man. uppityperson Oct 2016 #12
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I have karynnj Oct 2016 #13
Also no one coverage of Kerry prposing mylye2222 Oct 2016 #14
The UN resolution the diplomatic process was under karynnj Oct 2016 #15
Dittto. mylye2222 Oct 2016 #23
Re: going for military solution mallard Oct 2016 #16
Assad is running his daddy's playbook from Hama, but scaled up for Aleppo geek tragedy Oct 2016 #19
I did not say "nothing to regret" - nor did Secretary Kerry karynnj Oct 2016 #27
thanks for your commentary. MBS Oct 2016 #17
the idea of preserving Syria as a nation state was always a folly. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #21
Who would have the authority and legitimacy to define the partitions? karynnj Oct 2016 #28
they should be negotiating those boundaries, not negotiating follies like national elections geek tragedy Oct 2016 #29
Who is "they" and who do "they" negotiate with? karynnj Oct 2016 #32
Both sides believe, with some justification, that this is winner take all, even if all winds up geek tragedy Oct 2016 #33
I agree karynnj Oct 2016 #34
you're right, but it's so difficult to see the scale of the horror geek tragedy Oct 2016 #35
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Your support for the genocidal dictator in Syria (and the one in Moscow) is duly noted. nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #20
Yea jamzrockz Oct 2016 #22
Who's bombing Aleppo? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #24
Hmm jamzrockz Oct 2016 #25
Small correction jamzrockz Oct 2016 #26
nauseating apologism for one of the most brutal dictatorships on the planet nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #30
I don't really care what you say about me jamzrockz Oct 2016 #31
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