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pnwmom

(109,054 posts)
8. Funny the parts you left out.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:41 AM - Edit history (2)

Like how Murray, the person who allowed him the use of the vacation home, said its value for the week was far lower than what Kaine reported -- and that Murray never had any state business.

How all of Kaine's gifts were scrupulously reported -- including gifts that fell below the reporting limit.

How most of Kaine's "gifts" came in the form of travel to work related events. For example, when the Obama campaign reimbursed him for his travel costs to their events, he reported it as personal gifts. He also reported state funds reimbursing him for travel as personal gifts.

Basically, because Virginia law allowed almost any gifts -- as long as they were reported -- there was no downside to reporting anything that could possibly be considered a gift -- including state reimbursements for travel. So, when in doubt, or when it wasn't clear how best to report any transfer, he reported it as a gift.

The subsequent Republican Governor, who took money, personal gifts, and loans from business connections -- and failed to report it -- just had his conviction overturned by the Supreme Court, 8 to 0 -- because the State failed to show that the Governor had done any favors in exchange for the gifts. So going after Kaine for carefully following all the Virginia rules and over-reporting gifts is the ultimate in hypocrisy for the Republicans. But that's nothing new.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kaines-acceptance-of-gifts-in-state-office-could-offer-republicans-an-opening/2016/07/22/8508b2cc-4f7f-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

“During his eight years as lieutenant governor and governor, Senator Kaine went beyond the requirements of Virginia law, promptly disclosing any and all gifts received, including those beneath the reporting threshold,” said Kaine spokeswoman Amy Dudley. “All disclosure information — the vast majority of which was for work-related travel expenses rather than gifts — has been publicly available for years and never once raised any concerns of impropriety.”

During his eight years as Virginia’s lieutenant governor and then governor, Kaine disclosed that he accepted $201,600 in personal gifts, according to data compiled from the Virginia Public Access Project, a nonpartisan tracker of money in state politics.

The majority of those gifts came in the form of air travel, including from the 2008 campaign of President Obama, which paid to fly Kaine across the country as a campaign surrogate. Under murky Virginia law, the proper way to disclose such political travel has been unclear; other politicians have disclosed it as a campaign contribution to their political action committee, rather than a personal gift, as did Kaine.

More than $32,000 of Kaine’s gifts were travel expenses paid by the state’s economic development agency during trade missions he took in his official role as governor.



Here is another article about all this:

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/23/12260394/tim-kaine-scandal-gifts
when Trump's business dealings get out there, as in the bad ones ericson00 Jul 2016 #1
Republicans go after everything and anything, legal or not. apcalc Jul 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen Jul 2016 #30
"said former attorney general Jerry Kilgore, the Republican who Kaine defeated in 2005" JoePhilly Jul 2016 #3
This is OLD news. All vetted. All answered. Much was routine travel expenses. Corporate media SHIT. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #4
Yup. I looked into it way back too. Mostly travel expenses and he claimed more than was required. Native Jul 2016 #49
Who cares? There are a lot more important things to worry about. George II Jul 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #52
This seems to be the best they can come up with. I'm psyched now. This is very lame of them. Squinch Jul 2016 #6
Exactly. And considering it's coming from Donald Trump... sarae Jul 2016 #32
Bob McDonald had his conviction overturned because the charges allowed under Virginia. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #7
My first thought was McDonnell too. +1, nt. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #25
Funny the parts you left out. pnwmom Jul 2016 #8
BAM! underpants Jul 2016 #10
Great post PNW! JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #28
This needs to be its own OP lillypaddle Jul 2016 #29
+1 MichiganVote Jul 2016 #37
Agreed w Lilipaddle, please make this an OP mahina Jul 2016 #45
Yeah, let's castigate him for being too meticulous and forthcoming when reporting gifts..... George II Jul 2016 #50
Thanks pnwmom. That is why it is important to have the full story still_one Jul 2016 #51
Thank You... LenaBaby61 Jul 2016 #54
If it wasn't illegal, and it was disclosed, I simply do not care. MADem Jul 2016 #9
Exactly.... LenaBaby61 Jul 2016 #55
GOP has no opening here....they have much more to worry about between trump and pence beachbum bob Jul 2016 #11
Chris Mathews talked a little about this issue whistler162 Jul 2016 #12
With Trump Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #13
Yeah, Trump doesn't accept bribes TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #44
GOP complaining about 'coziness' with donors???? bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #14
Lol.... giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #15
No discussion of any possible negative attacks allowed ms liberty Jul 2016 #16
Good grief. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #19
Drop the passive aggressive attacks on DU and DU'ers. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #31
Go plant that scarecrow in another cornfield. LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #33
Lol. Such drama. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #53
Already are kacekwl Jul 2016 #17
Oh my! Someone should have told Hillary before she chose him as her running mate! :-P NurseJackie Jul 2016 #18
:) KewlKat Jul 2016 #21
I'm more concerned with the GOP ticket NOT disclosing their income taxes. KewlKat Jul 2016 #20
Sarcasm is not an open ticket to break TOS! Cryptoad Jul 2016 #22
Yeah that was tossed around when his name first came up. tavernier Jul 2016 #23
They have a grave misconception of the Dem base Gman Jul 2016 #24
Operating word here: DISCLOSED!! Try again. And Washington Post is full of shit. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #26
Then we close that "opening" right on their Karl Rove-style fingers. CBHagman Jul 2016 #27
I'll repeat it too JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #42
jesus....whatever... dhill926 Jul 2016 #34
" said former attorney general Jerry Kilgore, the Republican who Kaine defeated in 2005." mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2016 #35
It was legal. Let's move on. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #36
If anyone thinks this wasn't found out and vetted thoroughly by Hillary's vetting team, Arkana Jul 2016 #38
It's all out there right in the open. Where's your tax returns, Donald? truthisfreedom Jul 2016 #39
Not illegal, but it certainly looks bad andym Jul 2016 #40
Post #8 erpowers Jul 2016 #43
First, gifts reported - and NO quid pro quo - second asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #41
Today Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC explained the gifts were completely legal and fully disclosed wishstar Jul 2016 #46
LALALALALALALA! Helen Borg Jul 2016 #47
When you have already painted someone as the biggest crook in history and they still win and choose glennward Jul 2016 #48
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