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Ghost Dog

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13. I think Russia would like to economically and socially develop

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:41 AM

Jun 2016

the federated territories it already occupies, defend its borders, and do useful business with neighbors and the rest of the world.

I think the Imperialist urge is located elsewhere, these days.

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And Russia Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1

Only logical, as U.S. broke its promise not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe. LS_Editor Jun 2016 #21

At least we did not invade Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #22

No. We just create power vacuums after invading sovereign nations. LS_Editor Jun 2016 #23

I don't agree with that either Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #24

Which sovereign nations did the US invade in Eastern Europe? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #93

You just made that theory up. I did not classify a region. LS_Editor Jun 2016 #99

Why should we judge Eastern Europe by the standards of what goes on in the Middle East? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #100

The U.S. wants a mulligan on the Middle East and its actions in Iraq? LS_Editor Jun 2016 #104

Why should the Russians have the authority to tell Eastern European countries tabasco Jun 2016 #25

It's not in the US interest... Xolodno Jun 2016 #33

LOL, NATO was created and exists, to protect us all from Russia. Russia has no place inside it. braddy Jun 2016 #40

NATO was created in response to the Soviet Union. Xolodno Jun 2016 #48

The Russians enslaved empire and lost it, and want it back, NATO is still relevant and needed. braddy Jun 2016 #49

Well, its obvious. Xolodno Jun 2016 #52

How can something that isn't true, be "obvious" to you? braddy Jun 2016 #54

And yet...you are the one who laughed off inclusion of Russia into NATO. Xolodno Jun 2016 #57

What nation do you live in? You are far more dedicated to Russian military goals it seems than just braddy Jun 2016 #59

Again, do you have a seat at the Kremlin? Xolodno Jun 2016 #62

You are rambling more and more and repeating yourself. What country do you live in? braddy Jun 2016 #63

Any you are just lashing out because... Xolodno Jun 2016 #65

You haven't called anything, you just keep evading and rambling, and making up stuff. braddy Jun 2016 #67

No, I've supported my statements Xolodno Jun 2016 #69

No, on a thread about Poland having a NATO exercise, you drifted off into ramblings, falsehoods, and braddy Jun 2016 #71

*Nb. "Monroe Doctrine" Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #81

Have you heard of the Monroe Doctrine? yurbud Jun 2016 #103

We never made such a promise. Show us that treaty. braddy Jun 2016 #27

It was never a treaty. Xolodno Jun 2016 #34

Exactly, there never was such an agreement, I have looked it up in the past when braddy Jun 2016 #35

To say the US didn't give any assurances is fake. Xolodno Jun 2016 #39

No, it isn't fake, and no single member of NATO can issue such a treaty, braddy Jun 2016 #41

You are misrepresenting what I stated in the attempt to propogate a lie. Xolodno Jun 2016 #45

Russia is not operating on something that never existed, your mythical secret promise of a single braddy Jun 2016 #47

Wow. Did you ever come unglued. Xolodno Jun 2016 #50

You keep describing a non existent agreement with a single NATO nation, the U.S. as being what braddy Jun 2016 #53

I never indicated Russia was operating on the US given assurance of not expanding NATO. Xolodno Jun 2016 #55

You seem to be simply in support of Russia's military goals, period. You even defend them braddy Jun 2016 #56

I never stated such a thing. Xolodno Jun 2016 #60

None of that rambling post made any sense, especially since the topic is NATO braddy Jun 2016 #61

Of course it doesn't, you only see things from terms of "propoganda". Xolodno Jun 2016 #64

You can't change the fact that Sweden is being forced to up it's defenses and consider NATO braddy Jun 2016 #66

Again, I didn't say that. Xolodno Jun 2016 #68

LOL, yes, you said that Sweden alone could defeat a Russian invasion of war, which is ridiculous. braddy Jun 2016 #70

And Russia broke the Budapest memorandum Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #32

Eastern Europe wanted in because they are scared of the Russians. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #84

Which is why deciding to taunt and belittle them is so stupid scscholar Jun 2016 #26

Q: Who are the "separatists" in Poland? Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #2

re-read uhnope Jun 2016 #5

Yes. Why should other countries be concerned Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #7

The Baltics have large Russian populations hack89 Jun 2016 #8

I'm aware of the Russian-speakers in the Baltic countries, Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #10

Russia wants to rebuild their empire hack89 Jun 2016 #11

I think Russia would like to economically and socially develop Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #13

Ukraine and Crimea says otherwise. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #17

You are aware that referenda were held Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #18

After Russia destabilized those regions and forcefully ejected the legitimate government. hack89 Jun 2016 #19

Crimea being part of Ukraine is a bit of a stretch. Xolodno Jun 2016 #36

That still does not justify a military take over by Russia, now does it? nt hack89 Jun 2016 #37

A military, supported coups, etc. are never justified...including those done by us. Xolodno Jun 2016 #42

Based on Russia's recent behavior, I would say the Baltics and Poland have legitimate concerns. hack89 Jun 2016 #44

Well of course they should strengthen their ties with NATO. It would be foolish not to. But.... Xolodno Jun 2016 #46

lol. your reply is right out of Kremlin talking points uhnope Jun 2016 #102

Because these countries also have borders with Russia uhnope Jun 2016 #9

I see. But why would Russia want to "stir up" Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #12

The same motivation that Putin had in invading, occupying, and annexing uhnope Jun 2016 #14

I see. Thank you. n/t Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #16

His reasoning is flawed, like usual. Xolodno Jun 2016 #38

lol versus your Kafkaesque/Orwellian "reasoning" that always ended up with Hail Putin uhnope Jun 2016 #101

It is Russia moving up to NATO borders, NATO is positioning within NATO itself. braddy Jun 2016 #28

So NATO's job is to protect countries who deny the right to vote to some of its "residents". happyslug Jun 2016 #72

NATO is an alliance to protect each other from Russia. braddy Jun 2016 #73

So we are to protect a country that DENY the right to vote from a country that permits such votes? happyslug Jun 2016 #74

NATO is the alliance, and NATO has no intention of surrendering to Russia, and that goes for the braddy Jun 2016 #75

Godspeed. nt uhnope Jun 2016 #3

Real message: US... send money... lots of green backs... now yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #4

"Security fears" is establishment propaganda speak for Onlaketime Jun 2016 #6

Thank you. I have observed the same. n/t Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #15

sorry, but you are posting falsehoods uhnope Jun 2016 #20

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NATO is not invading anyone up Russia's borders, it is Russia invading to NATO's borders. braddy Jun 2016 #29

... MattSh Jun 2016 #30

I guess you agree that invading Ukraine is conquering right up to NATO borders, whereas NATO braddy Jun 2016 #31

What NATO member has Russia invaded???? happyslug Jun 2016 #76

Please don't waste my time making up things for me, I neve mentioned that they had invaded a NATO braddy Jun 2016 #77

I foresee War if the NATO keeps up its present polices. happyslug Jun 2016 #79

You seem confused, it is NATO who is in charge of their own defense, and you are wrong to call braddy Jun 2016 #80

I think the drop in oil prices was engineered CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #83

because the Poles have no reason based on their history to fear Russia nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #51

Russia left Poland voluntary, something that we can not said of the Germans happyslug Jun 2016 #78

I Support This Norman Conch Quest Jun 2016 #43

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3,000 American moms, dads, brothers and sisters... Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #89

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Onlaketime. That's Ok, we understand & get used to it. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #91

Not proud that Canada is taking part in this dog and pony show Monk06 Jun 2016 #58

I don't think Canadas government would want putin to 'pull another Ukraine' on Poland either. Sunlei Jun 2016 #86

I know a Polish couple that immigrated to Canada in the late eighties Monk06 Jun 2016 #98

I would like to thank posters above Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #82

This thread is infested with paid Putin shills... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #85

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LOL, I've been a socialist since my teens and are accusing me of McCarthyism? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #94

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Yep, you are a conspiracy loon, arguing with you is pointless. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #96

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Technically, this is on the Russian border. sofa king Jun 2016 #105

Thanks for that! Nihil Jun 2016 #106