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Ghost Dog

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42. US State Department cable in relation to Argentina's 2009 submission
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

to the UNCLCS:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09BUENOSAIRES920_a.html

ARGENTINA AGREES TO PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE DISAGREEMENT OVER ITS CLAIM ON ANTARCTIC SHELF

Date:

2009 August 11, 19:51 (Tuesday)

Canonical ID:

09BUENOSAIRES920_a

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UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY

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UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY

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AR - Argentina | PHSA - Political Affairs--High Seas Affairs | PREL - Political Affairs--External Political Relations | PTBS

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TE - Telegram (cable)

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Argentina Buenos Aires

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Australia Canberra | France Paris | Group Destinations Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR-Mercado Común del Sur) |New Zealand Auckland | Norway Oslo |Russia Moscow | Secretary of State |United Kingdom London | United Nations (New York)


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1. (SBU) ADCM and ESTCouns delivered ref A points to the Argentine MFA's Director General for Political Coordination, Rafael Grossi, a close advisor to FM Jorge Taiana. Grossi was pleased with the USG proposal regarding Argentina's submission of its claim to the Antarctic continental platform (ref B), which he labeled a "very good outcome," and said he could reciprocate with "something that will provide comfort to our partners." The MFA had held a long meeting on this issue on August 4, he said, where the Foreign Minister had approved the exact wording of Argentina's oral communication to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) on August 24. (Text follows below. Spanish and English versions have been e-mailed to the Department.) Grossi confirmed he would travel to New York to represent the GOA at the Commission's hearing and to work with the Chairman and the Secretariat to ensure Argentina's oral statement is included in the written record of the meeting. He offered to meet with USUN.

2. (SBU) Grossi acknowledged that Argentina is "fully aware" that the way its submission to the CLCS had been handled was "not ideal," but he hoped we understood the reasons why the GOA had done so. "We realize we altered the framework (of the 7 plus 2 agreement) and therefore needed to reassure our friends," he said. Grossi was thankful that this "fair compromise" had avoided an open disagreement. He mentioned that he would meet with the Russians, the Australians, New Zealanders and British later in the day to share with them the proposed language just presented to us. He planned on seeing the French and Norwegians on August 6. Grossi also noted that the British Ambassador had forewarned the MFA of the United Kingdom's forthcoming objection to the Argentine presentation, so that it would not come as a surprise to the GOA.

3. (SBU) Text of GOA statement to the CLCS follows. Begin text. Argentina made a full submission of the outer limit of its continental shelf, including the natural prolongation appurtenant to the continent, the islands and the Argentina Antarctic Sector. However, as Note NU/139/2009/600 states, the Argentine Republic takes into account the circumstances of the region south of 60 degrees South latitude and the special legal and political status of Antarctica under the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty, including article IV thereof, and the Rules of Procedure of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. Therefore, and in accordance with its rules, the Commission could not take any action, for the time being, with regard to the information in this Submission that relates to continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.

End Text. KELLY
It is a very large continental shelf. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #1
The folks at Google have really outdone themselves with Google Earth. forest444 Mar 2016 #4
I do think this is correct (pssst: for Uruguay too!). Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #12
That's the rub, isn't it. forest444 Mar 2016 #15
Ah. Fishing is a very immediate issue Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #17
Beautiful! forest444 Mar 2016 #23
Yes. Here, I have made very good friends from both countries, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #24
You're a true man (or lady) of the world. forest444 Mar 2016 #26
With you too, forest444. Man of the world in no way, except Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #38
The Falklands still have their 200 mile economic zone hack89 Mar 2016 #2
Well, it means the western half of said zone is now illegal per international laws of the sea. forest444 Mar 2016 #3
No, that is not what it says hack89 Mar 2016 #5
That's exactly what it says, whether you know it - and like it - or not. forest444 Mar 2016 #6
The proper thing would be to let the people of the Falklands decide hack89 Mar 2016 #7
On the sovereignty dispute perhaps - which this ruling does not impact at all. forest444 Mar 2016 #8
As regards Diego Garcia, I/we doubt British people, nor governments Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #14
That's a good point. forest444 Mar 2016 #21
. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #25
I did! forest444 Mar 2016 #28
Wasn't the population of Argentina mostly "implanted" from Spain? Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #34
During the French Revolutionary years Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #37
Nope. Everything from Argentina to Antarctica is now Argentina's, except for the 12 mile bubble. Xithras Mar 2016 #9
Excellent find. Thank you, Xithras. forest444 Mar 2016 #10
Well, I wouldn't go that far Xithras Mar 2016 #13
The part of the UN decision covering seafloor around South Georgia Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #36
Argentina has recognized a 160 mile exclusionary fishing zone around the Falklands hack89 Mar 2016 #11
Come to some agreement. Naturally. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #16
I don't know about that. Argentina may be more willing to negotiate now. Xithras Mar 2016 #18
I think the big deal for the Falklands is the fisheries hack89 Mar 2016 #19
You exaggerate, Xithras. There is no connection Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #20
Nope. I copied that map straight off the UN website, right out of the approved proposal. Xithras Mar 2016 #22
Ok. "Those claims are independent of the Argentine continental shelf." Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #27
I'm just glad they have Michelle Bachelet there, not some Pinochet grease monkey like Piņera. forest444 Mar 2016 #29
Yes and no. Xithras Mar 2016 #30
I'm guessing the msp comes from Argentins's submission, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #40
That's insane. That area is bigger than the entirety of Argentina itself. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #35
Guardian: Falkland Islands lie in Argentinian waters, rules UN commission Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #31
Excellent update. Thank you, Judi. forest444 Mar 2016 #32
I think it all just depends on what christx30 Mar 2016 #33
No the British won't comply forest. Its a non-binding decision of the UN. Britain isn't going Bacchus4.0 Mar 2016 #44
Here is the UN CLCS press release: Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #39
So Macri and his minister appear to be exaggerating, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #41
US State Department cable in relation to Argentina's 2009 submission Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #42
So when does the invasion force land for Falklands War II? Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #43
Sometime during the middle of one of Cameron's wet dreams. forest444 Mar 2016 #46
Funny, given how much of a hard-on the Argie gov't has Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #47
Flag waving is key to all retail politics. forest444 Mar 2016 #48
UK Gov speaks: Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #45
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