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MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Rubio was born on American soil - Cruz wasn't.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

Also "some people say" (and we know how that works) that his parents took Canadian citizenship - they are listed on a Canadian electoral roll.

Apparently, if a judge interpreted the Constitution the way Cruz does, routinely, he would have to find him ineligible.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/01/11/through-ted-cruz-constitutional-looking-glass/zvKE6qpF31q2RsvPO9nGoK/story.html

By Laurence H. Tribe JANUARY 11, 2016
There’s more than meets the eye in the ongoing dustup over whether Ted Cruz is eligible to serve as president, which under the Constitution comes down to whether he’s a “natural born citizen” despite his 1970 Canadian birth. Senator Cruz contends his eligibility is “settled” by naturalization laws Congress enacted long ago. But those laws didn’t address, much less resolve, the matter of presidential eligibility, and no Supreme Court decision in the past two centuries has ever done so. In truth, the constitutional definition of a “natural born citizen” is completely unsettled, as the most careful scholarship on the question has concluded. Needless to say, Cruz would never take Donald Trump’s advice to ask a court whether the Cruz definition is correct, because that would in effect confess doubt where Cruz claims there is certainty.

People are entitled to their own opinions about what the definition ought to be. But the kind of judge Cruz says he admires and would appoint to the Supreme Court is an “originalist,” one who claims to be bound by the narrowly historical meaning of the Constitution’s terms at the time of their adoption. To his kind of judge, Cruz ironically wouldn’t be eligible, because the legal principles that prevailed in the 1780s and ’90s required that someone actually be born on US soil to be a “natural born” citizen. Even having two US parents wouldn’t suffice. And having just an American mother, as Cruz did, would have been insufficient at a time that made patrilineal descent decisive.
I know we're all embarrassed by him, but you can't just go and declare him not an American. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
I have listened to some Constitutional experts debate this Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #6
Neither of Rubio's parents was a U.S. citizen at the time of Rubio’s birth dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #9
according to some he is not Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #10
No, his mother was muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #12
Was born on American soil. iandhr Feb 2016 #13
I would think so. n/t ozone_man Feb 2016 #17
Rubio is definitely a natural born citizen....but Cruz may have to be settled in court.... markj757 Feb 2016 #23
Didja know the Senate passed a resolution that McCain was a natural born citizen? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #44
Rubio was born on American soil - Cruz wasn't. MADem Feb 2016 #32
And neither was one of Obama's Retrograde Mar 2016 #34
He is American, just not Natural Botn WhiteTara Feb 2016 #8
Nope... TipTok Mar 2016 #60
It's not bullshit..... markj757 Mar 2016 #65
Right, it's a bad headline, but what else is new? elleng Feb 2016 #28
LOL former9thward Mar 2016 #62
I agree. And this will affect a lot more people than Ted Cruz. Cavallo Mar 2016 #39
He's clearly American. Just not natural born and therefore Cruz is ineligible for the Presidency. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #54
No, not how it works. former9thward Mar 2016 #61
You make my point Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #63
2006 is just the latest codification of the law. former9thward Mar 2016 #64
I'm more concerned about which planet he's from. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2016 #2
yes, better question : ) n/t MBS Feb 2016 #31
Planet Creepistan. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #33
It is an embarrassment he is a dog pound worker, let alone United States Senator randys1 Feb 2016 #3
Misleading headline as the issue concerns the constitutional phrase "natural born". PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #4
Yes. Cruz was not natural born, but was naturalized instantly at birth by his mother's citizenship. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #41
Where is "natural born" defined? n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #47
It is ill-defined, but it is deep in American jurisprudence including foundational writing from Brit Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #50
Then let's not just blindly assert that Cruz doesn't meet this undefined standard. Orsino Mar 2016 #53
Though Cruz should be disqualified for Dominionist treason, "your book" does not rule. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #56
The issue isn't citizenship lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #5
I don't even know if Ted Cruz was even born meow2u3 Feb 2016 #25
well I assume like John McCain congress will have to approve him to run, but as it stands Canada con PatrynXX Feb 2016 #7
If the Judge rules the constition says he is not "natural born" itsrobert Feb 2016 #16
Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship and Canadians denounce him Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #42
30 Rock says no. onehandle Feb 2016 #11
The Birth Parent Argument Makes Me Crazy! Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #14
Cubanadian Repubbbies are their own special breed AxionExcel Feb 2016 #15
For some reason, he looks almost...natural...in that outfit. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #45
a specious argument intended so Cruz can claim, "a judge ruled in my favor. So, its settled. I'm Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #18
Natural born houston16revival Feb 2016 #19
Cruz is not a natural born person LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2016 #37
He is American. No argument at all. HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #20
First things first: is he human? LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #21
Yes, that is the question that I want answered. potone Feb 2016 #22
The judge ought to decide if Ted Cruz is human meow2u3 Feb 2016 #24
You beat me to it! Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #27
I think first they better decide if he's human. Raster Feb 2016 #26
Did I miss the hearing to determine if he is human? Ducksworthy Feb 2016 #29
A simple solution: Earth_First Feb 2016 #30
Both are Canadian beers pandr32 Mar 2016 #43
It was a joke... Earth_First Mar 2016 #58
I got it! kentauros Mar 2016 #59
We aren't taking him back. EllieBC Mar 2016 #35
This is a case of first impression. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #36
his nationality is the least of my concerns with him Skittles Mar 2016 #38
that's true but if the New York board of elections would have done their job to begin with mdbl Mar 2016 #40
natural born is simple to me RussBLib Mar 2016 #46
I thought having an American citizen parent Bradical79 Mar 2016 #48
Cruz is eligible Liberty Sage Mar 2016 #49
Please make your constitutional arguments Here: seaotter Mar 2016 #51
Harvard Law Review Liberty Sage Mar 2016 #55
Nope Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #52
Canadian. Anchor. Baby. AngryAmish Mar 2016 #57
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