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Maedhros

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191. I posted a question: do black voters agree with three-strikes laws, mandatory minimum sentencing,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

and the private prison industry?

I don't believe this is insulting. I'm confused by articles and polls that claim that Hillary has so much support from the black community when she has championed discriminatory laws and the private prison industry - which is the most glaring example of institutional racism in America. The private prison industry profits from the incarceration of young black males at rates far in excess of their proportion of the population at large. Hillary employs private prison industry lobbyists as fundraising "bundlers" for her campaign:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.

Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.

Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
. . .
Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. “We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders,” Clinton said in 1994. “The ‘three strikes and you’re out’ for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets,” she added.


I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm trying to raise awareness.

K&R. Great news! lunamagica Aug 2015 #1
Do they know that Hillary supports, and is supported by, the private prison industry Maedhros Aug 2015 #2
You mean the prison industry that Sanders helped enable with his vote in 1994? George II Aug 2015 #5
hmmmm 2pooped2pop Aug 2015 #29
his mistake in supporting the democratic "twofer" president that created the program magical thyme Aug 2015 #38
That bill had a lot of feminist issues on it. It included the Violence Against Women Act Turn CO Blue Aug 2015 #44
Thank you! yallerdawg Aug 2015 #125
does this issue that one this issue...they cancel each other out? Supersedeas Aug 2015 #225
she's also fond of trade deals, iirc magical thyme Aug 2015 #7
Well, as we've been lectured and lectured, economic issues are irrelevant to the black Maedhros Aug 2015 #23
sorry, I forgot. I keep looking at all the issues magical thyme Aug 2015 #27
No, no one knows anything about HRC. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #22
Okay, I'll bite: WHY do you support her over Bernie? passnobuck Aug 2015 #37
Well, I'm just like all of her other supporters ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #41
I always appreciate your posts all over DU passnobuck Aug 2015 #45
All I need to know... Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #98
Apologies ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #176
Well, I was interested in a serious response to the question. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #178
Your personality reminds me of Hillary. candelista Aug 2015 #229
FACTS .... POSITIVE WEBSITE. The TRUTH About Hillary Clinton trueblue2007 Aug 2015 #90
It takes one to know one. LI-voters don't know they are low information voters. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #97
I like to pretend that people who do not share my opinions are merely low information voters too. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #140
It's like this ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #179
Nice response. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #180
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #186
Calling everyone else low-'fo lovemydog Aug 2015 #226
Which is precisely why this should be titled: "Black Americans Recognize Hillary's Name" leveymg Aug 2015 #113
Could you be any more insulting toward a huge volting block? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #146
He doesn't get it that it's BS supporters who are doing the "smearing" in his name. Cha Aug 2015 #160
Same as every other demographic that currently makes up Hillary's measured support leveymg Aug 2015 #162
Yawn. ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #167
Nap time? Let's make sure you have your nook and a fresh Pamper and back to your crib. leveymg Aug 2015 #168
Wow! Racist much? NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #181
The racism is entirely on the part of those making unfounded smears leveymg Aug 2015 #188
"Cui bono," not "qui bono." candelista Aug 2015 #228
Pardon. Ignosces. Had more years of Spanish than Latin in school. leveymg Aug 2015 #230
So true. The GOP/Fox have been "running" HRC for president since before 2008. Apparently even here Hortensis Aug 2015 #115
frankly, there is name recognition, nostalgia for the 90's when it seemed roguevalley Aug 2015 #69
African-American voters are well informed voters Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #96
Then I would expect them to rally around Bernie, right? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #99
A majority of white Democrats refuse to rally around Bernie hack89 Aug 2015 #123
Exactly. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #129
So African-American voters agree with three-strikes laws, mandatory minimum sentences Maedhros Aug 2015 #158
things to keep in mind Supersedeas Aug 2015 #190
More than Ben Carson?! KamaAina Aug 2015 #3
That's addressed in the article, if you care to read it. George II Aug 2015 #6
Duh. n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #4
Yes! Count me, my neighbors, my circle of friends & my family among them. No one else comes close. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #8
What is it? sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #18
Realism, competence and good judgement are my reasons.,, PosterChild Aug 2015 #82
Brain damage. name not needed Aug 2015 #94
"Brain damage"?! What kind of person says something so hurtful and mean spirited that has Cha Aug 2015 #128
This post survived a jury. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #131
"Brain damage" referred to the immediate topic of discussion: HRC. Hortensis Aug 2015 #164
Title of OP "Black Americans Like Hillary Clinton More Than Any Other Candidate" Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #177
Juror #2 should win some type of award Number23 Aug 2015 #182
Both! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #185
I'd vote with juror #5. Some of us want to read actual issue discussions. Nt JudyM Aug 2015 #239
I teach high school, and I encourage my young students to not call each other brain damaged. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #240
I imagine your Fristian-style diagnosis will be given all the credibility it in fact, warrants. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #133
Excellent description, I doubt many here even know the significance of "Fristian-style". George II Aug 2015 #161
WTF? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #148
Here's a toast to you "name not needed"... DonViejo Aug 2015 #155
WoW DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #156
Who does? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #163
Yes, what is it? WHAT exactly makes you turn away from contenders like passnobuck Aug 2015 #46
Here's my reason, and if I separate "my emotions", I might as well vote for Ted Cruz. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #50
So you have nothing that is 2015, just one statement from 2011 where passnobuck Aug 2015 #53
You asked for my reason. I gave it. Don't need a lecture or a history lesson. Thanks anyhoo. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #56
SO rational thought and "history" is not something you want to deal with passnobuck Aug 2015 #62
Yeah, but BS is no Barack Obama. White liberals & libertarians can't get the nomination for BS. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #70
So, I'm guessing you have something against "white liberals and libertarians".... passnobuck Aug 2015 #75
"I gave up Ayn Rand for Bernie Sanders: How I grew up and traded libertarianism for a progressive.." Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #87
Just a comment.. I posted to you earlier about that BS wanting President Obama primaried.. Cha Aug 2015 #134
Is that not a scary ass notion? A bunch of Libertarians taking over the Democratic primary process? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #169
he got a hide.. that's why he ran away.. he got booted because he insulted AA.. :( Cha Aug 2015 #172
That post is digusting. Glad it got a hide. Where the hell are they coming from? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #173
I know.. their ignorance is showing.. they never Cha Aug 2015 #174
That special one month wonder will have to sign up under another name, now: freshwest Aug 2015 #227
Yeah, his choice of screenname was no accident. I hate Libertarians disguised as Liberals. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #232
He was angry, as were MOST dems, when PBO started talking about cutting SS whathehell Aug 2015 #201
BS can run against President Obama's legacy all he wants.. I welcome it.. him and his ignorant Cha Aug 2015 #223
Riiiiiight.. whathehell Aug 2015 #224
Bam. Boom. And Bam again. Number23 Aug 2015 #183
Looks like MIRT took out the trash. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #192
Oh, that makes my post redundant, then. Oh, and I enjoyed the 'emotion' part. I first met JAG. freshwest Aug 2015 #233
Barack Obama couldn't have been elected without white liberals.. whathehell Aug 2015 #202
Point is, they couldn't elect him alone, and they can't get BS the nomination alone either. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #234
That's your point? Mine is, you could hardly have elected whathehell Aug 2015 #235
It won't be alone, at least that's what the numbers say. "DU Liberals" are NOT the Democratic Party. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #236
Who are "DU Liberals"? whathehell Aug 2015 #237
Isn't something Sanders did a few years ago part of giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #171
Just a thought-do you think riversedge Aug 2015 #80
He thinks he's "pushing her to the left". I wish he'd push the Senate to the left, at least he'd be Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #184
I will support whoever the Dem nominee is Frances Aug 2015 #9
+ 1 lunamagica Aug 2015 #13
Nice. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #14
sorry,I dont believe anything the huff post says, just another anti Bernie ploy imo. litlbilly Aug 2015 #10
Makes sense, she's done more than any other candidate for them. George II Aug 2015 #11
What has she done for the black community? MelissaB Aug 2015 #12
Perhaps you can educate those of us who do not know, but want to find out. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #20
She did vote to give many of the African Americans in the military the opportunity to see Iraq. n/t hughee99 Aug 2015 #34
not funny. I was looking for a legitimate explanation. n/t RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #88
And that is why the numbers aren't there for Sanders Gman Aug 2015 #15
and there goes the wet dream of cosmicone Aug 2015 #21
Are you implying that Bernie is a Socialist who would cause those things to happen? djean111 Aug 2015 #28
Sanders is not a socialist MyNameGoesHere Aug 2015 #40
Oh, I know that, but the poster I replied to does not seem to understand - unless it is some kind of djean111 Aug 2015 #43
Not a socialist?? Despite Sanders own words, many times: Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #61
He is a Democratic Socialist. djean111 Aug 2015 #72
I thought Bernie was going make America realize socialism isn't scary. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #92
You know, for people who are convinced Hillary is an absolute lock, her supporters djean111 Aug 2015 #93
He is a self-proclaimed socialist. You're the one calling that "nasty crap." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #141
I am laughing at the attempt to instill fear of government takeover. That's all. djean111 Aug 2015 #144
Nope, I'm just pointing out the fear of socialism that already exists, even among his supporters. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #149
Wait, why would people who vote for a self proclaimed socialist RichVRichV Aug 2015 #204
They fear the label. They know it is still a toxic label in the US. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #219
Who's saying that? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #220
See post 93. Not all Bernie supporters wear the socialist label proudly. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #221
Wait, what are you talking about? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #222
Bullshit -- he is an admitted democratic socialst whathehell Aug 2015 #203
I am an admitted elephant MyNameGoesHere Aug 2015 #215
Riiiight whathehell Aug 2015 #217
Thanks! eom MyNameGoesHere Aug 2015 #218
Only the people who harbor the wet dream I mentioned cosmicone Aug 2015 #47
And don't forget that the Nazis were socialists as well frylock Aug 2015 #60
Oh give me a fucking break! RichVRichV Aug 2015 #205
And if Bernie wins the nomination.... cosmicone Aug 2015 #206
Don't you know that all Democrats are socialists? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #207
Other democrats being called socialists is tuned out by people cosmicone Aug 2015 #208
The only people the socialist label is going to play negatively to RichVRichV Aug 2015 #209
This time, it is different .. now we have an avowed socialist cosmicone Aug 2015 #212
And how many Americans like being poor while the rich rake in the wealth? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #214
You hit almost every right-wing trope there.. frylock Aug 2015 #59
I think he is just getting started. n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2015 #36
Have you seen the latest polls? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #100
The numbers favor Hillary, the trends favor Bernie. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #210
Yeah, too bad about the debate situation Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #216
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #16
Not at all surprising. DCBob Aug 2015 #17
I hope that thought makes you feel better. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #102
Name ID ram2008 Aug 2015 #19
Why on earth is this in LBN? n/t DeadLetterOffice Aug 2015 #24
Name recognition... thomservo Aug 2015 #25
Theoretically, if he Bernie had 92% name recognition, Hillary would be buried. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #103
maybe they're into war? magical thyme Aug 2015 #26
Those are some scary people right there. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2015 #35
Holy crap! Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #238
Well, gosh! So then Hillary supporters can stop trying to woo us Bernie supporters djean111 Aug 2015 #30
I do not want Joe Biden to Run DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #31
Hillary has two things going for her here: Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #32
Hillary supporters take note. SHE's Going to LOSE to Bernie Sanders! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #104
Don't know what the eyeroll is for... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #124
Didn't know you were black. But I did assume you were a HRC supporter by you comment. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #127
Good news! Hillary will win the black vote. NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #33
I would hope any Democrat could in the generals. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #77
You really think she'll win the entire 13%? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #105
lol Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #39
"Older black peoples" know who you are. But why are you here? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #51
huh ? Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #57
Wow, this thread is getting more and more insulting towards AA voters. lunamagica Aug 2015 #42
Naturally. It is what DU has devolved into. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #48
It is not insulting if the comment is just plain silliness...as some are. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #49
Sometimes I think I have landed on brer cat Aug 2015 #52
I missed it - do you have a link? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #106
Yes, incredibly patronizing and demeaning. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #132
That's all they know how to do.. but, one insulter got a hide for "then they must not be very Cha Aug 2015 #145
Now trending on DU. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #165
I posted a question: do black voters agree with three-strikes laws, mandatory minimum sentencing, Maedhros Aug 2015 #191
"I'm trying to raise awareness" Thanks for proving my point lunamagica Aug 2015 #193
But I'm being told that institutional racism is the most important issue to the black community, Maedhros Aug 2015 #194
It's not my place to explain their motives, or question them. eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #195
It's called political analysis. Maedhros Aug 2015 #197
I'm aware - JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #241
It isn't simply the poster claiming many are unaware, it's the poll. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #213
At the worst HassleCat Aug 2015 #196
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Aug 2015 #198
Incredible how these Sanders people don't get it. Gman Aug 2015 #199
Pointing out laws passed that contributed directly to the plight of RichVRichV Aug 2015 #211
This could change. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #54
And they can have her.. frylock Aug 2015 #55
White people are getting murdered "under President Obama's tenure" as well....why does he not Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #65
We have to wait for Bernie Sanders to wave his magic dictator sticks evidently. frylock Aug 2015 #71
So if all these attacks launched against Bernie are to educate him on black issues and move his RichVRichV Aug 2015 #78
That...does not even make any sense. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #84
Are you saying the blm protests weren't to bring Bernie on board with their cause? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #86
Apparently BLM thinks this is easy-peasy, and WHY haven't we done this before? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #107
What does BLM think is "an easy-peach problem"? Racial injustice? No, they do not! Where have you been? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #108
Apparently they are pissed as Sanders for not solving their problems before he's even elected. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #110
Sorry, but your comments plainly show you have little idea what you are talking about. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #111
You don't know me - even if you think you do. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #116
I know you by your comments only, obviously..that supporter anger is what Bernie says is not good for anyone...and now we Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #118
Yes, I get angry when people lie. Sorry. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #120
You already wished me a "fucking nice day", I thought we were done, because I am having a nice day! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #121
OK - have a great day! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #126
Which black or white Hillary supporter would NOT support Bernie? passnobuck Aug 2015 #58
She's had a big lead among all demographics... MellowDem Aug 2015 #63
Thank you. People here need to stop believing that most voters, black, white, Hispanic, Nay Aug 2015 #138
It is a bit hard to understand why most AA voters support Hillary. DCBob Aug 2015 #64
Hillary has spent her life living in places which are very diverse Chicago, Arkansas, Washington DC lunamagica Aug 2015 #81
I find your statment odd. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #109
Why do you twist my words? I never said moving away from PoC was the reason. eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #135
I did not twist you words. I was replying to this: Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #139
"Odd" as in "I don't understand" If I thought he did it just to get away from PoC lunamagica Aug 2015 #142
There are several reasons why he may have done that. Here is a NPR article: Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #154
Arkansas was not all that "diverse" when Hillary was First Lady of the state Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #122
Continuity. Many of us are concerned that Obama's legacy be built upon, not destroyed. Personally, Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #89
Ironic That... WillyT Aug 2015 #66
Inaccurate more than ironic. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #68
What is inaccurate? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #114
All opinions and personal attacks posing as "facts" all based on shaky premises...horrible analysis and repetitive. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #117
LOL! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #119
Hillary is a remarkable woman, don't get me wrong, I will vote for her if.. passnobuck Aug 2015 #67
Hillary will be fine. She's tough and a warrior. apnu Aug 2015 #170
posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #73
shouldn't the title include, "who haven't heard of Sanders"? nt alp227 Aug 2015 #74
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #79
Perhaps AA voters don't want a confiscatory, anti-incentive system n/t cosmicone Aug 2015 #83
No shit, even after afam america figured out who Obama was it still Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #152
Because Clintons sound sincere awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #76
Link to poll? fbc Aug 2015 #85
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #91
She is 84% among Hispanics. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2015 #95
Too Bad That Her Real Masters Are Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Aug 2015 #101
FWIW, HuffPost reported Sanders' numbers wrong; it's 23% favorable, 10% unfavorable so net is muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #112
of the 33% that know him a full third are "unfavorable: Sheepshank Aug 2015 #147
It'd be interesting to know the crosstabs for all the Democrats muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #150
Well, I guess that's it then. Nedsdag Aug 2015 #130
"Black Americans Like Hillary Clinton More Than Any Other Candidate" They're Smart! Cha Aug 2015 #136
Most AA & Hispanics TM99 Aug 2015 #137
Obama had the same problem this early in 2008 Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #143
I think they are very fond of Bill. That might be one of the reasons for ladjf Aug 2015 #151
It's because she's married to an honorary black guy. candelista Aug 2015 #153
Lost in another thread, this is Clinton in Missouri with black community leaders...video.... Gloria Aug 2015 #157
Thanks for that, Gloria Cha Aug 2015 #159
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #166
The Clintons have always had close relations with AA. Beacool Aug 2015 #175
I disagree Luminousman Aug 2015 #187
Your anecdotal evidence aside, did you even read the o.p.? Oh, and welcome back. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #189
This is important to anyone actually interested in winning in Nov. 16. ucrdem Aug 2015 #200
I'd be happy with Sanders or Clinton, though I think Mrs. Clinton has much more Global experience. Sunlei Aug 2015 #231
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