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166. Again.. mahalo JTFrog.. this time for calling out RW sources that duers are only too happy to post

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Sat Apr 25, 2015, 09:10 PM

Apr 2015

against the President. Not the first time.

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Weekly Address: Fighting for Trade Deals that Put American Workers First [View all] cal04 Apr 2015 OP

I call BS. If corporations can hire H1 B workers for 1/3 or 1/2 my salary then they will. peacebird Apr 2015 #1

How is the issue with companies using H1 B workers related to a trade deal though? cstanleytech Apr 2015 #5

It is not related much. Just a chance to vent against Obama for the perceived errors of past Presidents? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #34

H1b visas will probably be unnecessary under this treaty. Beauregard Apr 2015 #181

Companies using trade deal NAFTA-How 800,000 H-1B Workers Came to the U.S. midnight Apr 2015 #58

What a Bunch of Crap liberalmike27 Apr 2015 #87

Well put liberal Mike. n/t fasttense Apr 2015 #140

Your numbers are a bunch of crap. We have never even had 47 million manufacturing jobs in this okaawhatever Apr 2015 #142

Thank Bill and Hillary Clinton for that, peacebird. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #103

Exactly. peacebird Apr 2015 #126

Exactly..One can't even get a freaking call center job here anymore whathehell Apr 2015 #127

Remember when Obama said he was "against" Citizens United??? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #147

LOL.. whathehell Apr 2015 #149

Bullshit. GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #2

Right now, I do believe that it puts Americans first.. graegoyle Apr 2015 #10

No, the recovery has gone to those who hold stocks. The recovery has so far mostly shown up in the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #144

I'm afraid I can no longer trust Obama on anything. Scuba Apr 2015 #3

Then why be here? If you cannot trust this President enough to wait to read the final msanthrope Apr 2015 #8

The fight against people like you. Scuba Apr 2015 #9

You mean Democrats who work voter protection with every election and exhort other msanthrope Apr 2015 #21

"Why are you here, again?", is an excellent question......seeking and accepting only perfection in Obama? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #41

I don't expect perfection 840high Apr 2015 #52

And what has Obama done to convince your over 7 years of Democratic Presidency that he does not care? Was it the ACA? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #56

You must be joking --This isn't "Obama Underground", it's "Democratic Underground". whathehell Apr 2015 #61

As a British Subject, the same question could be asked of you. Beauregard Apr 2015 #182

What is this "Why are you here?" stuff? Beauregard Apr 2015 #68

It's the swooner contingent. PSPS Apr 2015 #118

gawd I am fucking SICK of them Skittles Apr 2015 #173

Obama said we should hold his feet to the fire. antiquie Apr 2015 #27

Especially when so many of the Democrats in Congress are fighting him on this issue. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #33

Well......did we have the congressional votes for public option? No. msanthrope Apr 2015 #39

Public option passed the House. antiquie Apr 2015 #54

WTF Skittles Apr 2015 #172

Good Response Thespian2 Apr 2015 #29

Obama's Corporate masters? You made me laugh! The Consumer Protection Bureau made corporations laugh hard also! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #43

You live in the UK -- Are you even eligible to vote? whathehell Apr 2015 #62

Welcome to my Ignore List, number 29, been a while since I added anyone. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #65

Wow! You ignore 29 people? That's a lot! Beauregard Apr 2015 #71

Yes, that's easier than answering that question, isn't it? whathehell Apr 2015 #73

Thanks, Fred Thespian2 Apr 2015 #122

it is a badge of honor for critical thinkers Skittles Apr 2015 #174

I just asked her if she were trying to "shame" you because you're in the UK. I don't see them Cha Apr 2015 #159

Seriously? Let's have more thinking and less chopping. procon Apr 2015 #101

Seriously. whathehell Apr 2015 #116

Everyone's opinion is equal, and everyone is welcome, procon Apr 2015 #129

Sez you whathehell Apr 2015 #134

Does someone have to be a member procon Apr 2015 #135

"False barriers"? whathehell Apr 2015 #137

I've never had a problem, so I can't speak to your angst. nt procon Apr 2015 #138

You're probably never whathehell Apr 2015 #139

Actually, my family lived in Europe for over a decade. procon Apr 2015 #141

That's nice. I've also lived there, made friends there, visited several whathehell Apr 2015 #143

Your assumption didn't bother me as much procon Apr 2015 #145

That's nice.. whathehell Apr 2015 #148

If you honestly think that what happens here doesn't have procon Apr 2015 #152

Um, I never said that, either honestly or dishonestly whathehell Apr 2015 #153

You've moved the goal posts. procon Apr 2015 #155

I think that just means you don't have a pithy retort for me, but whatever whathehell Apr 2015 #160

I live in Canada. Thespian2 Apr 2015 #121

That's nice. I'm eligible for Dual citizenship myself, and I know the "rules" for most dual citizens whathehell Apr 2015 #123

What does that have to do with the OP? Are you trying to shame Fred because he's from the UK? Cha Apr 2015 #158

Cha, are you so arrogant as to lecture a foreign country about their domestic policies? whathehell Apr 2015 #161

I don't think he's being "arrogant".. there are plenty of posters here who bash Pres Obama Cha Apr 2015 #162

Good for you.. whathehell Apr 2015 #164

Sorry, I forgot to include.. plenty of "posters here from other countries" who bash President Obama Cha Apr 2015 #165

I don't care if you "whine" about them or not.. whathehell Apr 2015 #167

I don't really care if you "whine" about them or not.. bc Fred is here to stay.. Cha Apr 2015 #168

+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #156

Of course not! What has he DONE for 7 years to earn TRUST? Obviously nothing, right? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #36

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He's got you on ignore. I'll ask him. Beauregard Apr 2015 #76

It seems someone should, given the ferocity of his opinions. whathehell Apr 2015 #79

Fred, are you really a British subject? Beauregard Apr 2015 #77

Ignore List number 30..... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #78

Gosh, not much of an answer. But OK. Beauregard Apr 2015 #80

I think you can take that as a "yes" whathehell Apr 2015 #100

That's a wrong-headed sentiment... I disagree with Pres. Obama on this issue but support him on most groundloop Apr 2015 #108

You've got it backwards. Scuba Apr 2015 #179

I trust this President enough to hold off dismissing the TPP until it's final and I get a chance to msanthrope Apr 2015 #4

the republicons are uncharacteristically silent and the Chamber of Commerce loves it corkhead Apr 2015 #12

Or maybe they are being smart enough to stand back msanthrope Apr 2015 #17

Will we be able to read it before TPA? shawn703 Apr 2015 #20

I don't want the TPP subject to amendment. I'd rather go with environmental msanthrope Apr 2015 #22

Why not subject to filibuster? shawn703 Apr 2015 #23

Good response - stopped the TPP cheerleader cold! Divernan Apr 2015 #24

sellout mtasselin Apr 2015 #6

Have you considered reading the TPP before forming an opinion on it? I may go against the TPP, msanthrope Apr 2015 #7

The old "don't get upset until it happens" defense? How pathetic! Divernan Apr 2015 #31

every member of Congress can read the TPP right now. msanthrope Apr 2015 #37

They can only read the current bill, which can be changed at the very last moment. Divernan Apr 2015 #42

Okay--here's the problem with your claim---it's not a bill. It's a trade agreement right now. msanthrope Apr 2015 #97

Exactly. Very similar to the 6 nation Iran nuclear agreement, if not procedurally identical. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #99

House members don't have much time to read it. amandabeech Apr 2015 #109

Obama understands it....and despite all the shrill crying otherwise Obama at the table is good. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #110

It can't be changed. Only an up or down vote is allowed. procon Apr 2015 #114

By the time you get to read it, pangaia Apr 2015 #35

60 days. I can handle that. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #38

LOL MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #47

Too true. pangaia Apr 2015 #86

Were you making a point there? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #94

It's Been My Experience liberalmike27 Apr 2015 #90

Because it's not finalized. And trade agreements rest with the Executive. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #91

Senator Brown introduced over 80 amendments...so of course you are right. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #96

Fred, did he introduce amendments to Fast Track, or TPP? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #98

Would have to be to just the Fast Track legislation because he is without power to amend a trade agreement. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #104

80 amendments? Sort of makes the case for fast track. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #106

Yes, if they allowed it. Liz Warren read it but said she isn't allowed to talk about it whathehell Apr 2015 #120

It's been available to every member of Congress for a while now---Grayson read it last year. msanthrope Apr 2015 #124

Right, and Grayson is being gagged too -- Why is it "classified" if it's truly a trade deal? whathehell Apr 2015 #125

Because currency manipulation, counterfeiting, and drug supply are national msanthrope Apr 2015 #128

Currency manipulation was never stated as part of the TPP whathehell Apr 2015 #130

It's called representative democracy. Take it up with the Founders, who vested this msanthrope Apr 2015 #131

Try again with a real answer whathehell Apr 2015 #133

It actually is the real answer....And if you study basic civics, and FDR's msanthrope Apr 2015 #150

Then you have my condolences.. whathehell Apr 2015 #154

+1. nt Beauregard Apr 2015 #180

Big business is for it.. sendero Apr 2015 #11

It's predicted to be a near zero-sum game in nearly all signatory countries Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #14

Real FACTS and real EXPERTS and the ACTUAL document? What are you, a liberal?? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #44

Psst, you missed the 'rich get richer, poor get poorer' part of his comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #81

Didn't miss it, I just do not believe in judging all the positions of a person by (mis)judging one. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #83

Blah, blah, blah... Red Oak Apr 2015 #13

Welcome to DU - I like the way you think! Divernan Apr 2015 #26

You mean the new poster thinking in error - because China is not part of the TPP? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #45

His/her point was raising the question re "retraining of American workers" Divernan Apr 2015 #49

"Blah, blah, blah" is a point? China? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #50

From President Barack Obama Red Oak Apr 2015 #171

That's exactly what I thought about "re-training of American workers!" amandabeech Apr 2015 #113

Good question: "Big business was involved in drafting this, but why not AFL-CIO"? whathehell Apr 2015 #136

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #15

"Bushama" JTFrog Apr 2015 #63

Interesting that this deal is so important to him malthaussen Apr 2015 #16

Post presidential ambitions for board appointments/consultancies/etc. Divernan Apr 2015 #28

Yes...that's the main income for ex-Presidents. It's not like they go out and get a job. n/t libdem4life Apr 2015 #32

He could always start a boutique "non-profit" family foundation, Divernan Apr 2015 #40

Kind of like a divorce...he wants to continue in the manner has become accustomed. And that ain't libdem4life Apr 2015 #57

BS alert. 4dsc Apr 2015 #18

Thanks for your weekly posting! BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #19

I'm from Michigan originally, and JOBS is my big issue. amandabeech Apr 2015 #115

No one is denying that "jobs" are a big issue BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #132

anybody that claims that workers on either of Pacific are anything other than an afterthought KG Apr 2015 #25

Until I can read the agreement I'm not taking anyone's word snappyturtle Apr 2015 #30

What is this "transparency" of which you speak? Divernan Apr 2015 #46

Your reporters you "happen" to be "close to" - are from Fox? Same meme Fox often spews. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #48

NPR/Sigma Delta Chi award winners from Society of Professional Journalists Divernan Apr 2015 #51

Funny, I do not remember seeing you there. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #55

No, my nametag had my real name, not "Divernan/DU" Divernan Apr 2015 #59

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Wait... JTFrog Apr 2015 #60

I googled Obama FOIA/link refers further to USA Today Divernan Apr 2015 #64

All that yelling doesn't impress me. JTFrog Apr 2015 #66

NOR THE FACT OBAMA HAS SCRAPPED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE Divernan Apr 2015 #72

You are getting close to the heart...... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #74

That's not even kind of what happened here. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #84

The right wing media had a hayday with it though, remember? Funny how someone brought it up. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #85

Again.. mahalo JTFrog.. this time for calling out RW sources that duers are only too happy to post Cha Apr 2015 #166

Been shaking my head a lot lately. JTFrog Apr 2015 #169

Does it smell like 2010 with ACA Cha Apr 2015 #176

Exactly fasttense Apr 2015 #105

Labor groups marched against TPP in D.C. last Monday Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #175

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Wow. This thread sure is bringing out the name callers. JTFrog Apr 2015 #69

The thing is, when Obama speaks, speaks, not jabbers, and destroys all the propaganda and disinformation...again....it hurts. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #75

Hard to believe that it still shocks me to see just how far JTFrog Apr 2015 #82

Fred, a trade agreement like the TPP is coming to Europe which is much closer to you whathehell Apr 2015 #119

Oh wow.. that was a butt ugly rwanker talking point.. and fucking racist to boot! Thank JTfrog for Cha Apr 2015 #163

I've been trying to lay low... JTFrog Apr 2015 #170

Please don't Cha Apr 2015 #177

Here in the chambers of DU Mr President - all I ask asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #88

Your Concern, new poster, is noted....very, very concerned about Obama's entire "legacy" because of a trade deal, are we? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #89

Look Fred, did ya' read the whole thoughtful message asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #93

Don't worry about Obama. Worry about Hillary Clinton. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #112

Its for the wealthiest among us tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #92

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Hi there, Tilly2020! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #102

Looks like she left already.... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #107

Dang! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #111

I admit it gives me pause. Why I still hold a lick of trust is beyond me. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #117

http://www.exboyfriendrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/you-lie.png blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #146

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Support Obama On TPP - The 1% Need Even More Wealth cantbeserious Apr 2015 #151

I absolutely trust President Obama over those calling "bullshite".. I've seen that crap for 7 years Cha Apr 2015 #157

America First, sounds a bit nationalistic for me. America Counts, seems OK, though. Hoyt Apr 2015 #178