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In reply to the discussion: Boris Nemtsov's Murder May Have Been Provocation: Russian Officials [View all]MBS
(9,688 posts)24. a good response in Slate
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/02/boris_nemtsov_s_murder_the_russian_opposition_leader_was_one_of_vladimir.html
whole article is quite good, but these concluding paragraphs explicitly address the "provocation" issue:
whole article is quite good, but these concluding paragraphs explicitly address the "provocation" issue:
In the Russian-speaking world, designating any uncomfortable or challenging information as a provokatsiya is the standard response of people who refuse to take responsibility for their words or actions. They think in provocations and counterprovocations, conspiracies and plots. Your opponent is even more cynical than you. There is no honesty, no honor, and no dignity, because everybody is splattered in shit and blood.
The answer to all the worlds provocations is a question: Komu vygodno?, or Who stands to gain? When Nemtsov published reports on official corruption, he was accused of being an American stoogeinstead of prosecutors taking his allegations seriously. After a Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, Russian state television dissected every possible conspiracy theory, including the Ukrainians mistaking MH17 for Putins plane, while omitting the most likely version: a stray anti-aircraft missile fired by pro-Russian rebels at a Ukrainian warplane.
Russias Investigative Committee has already released a list of possible motives for Nemtsovs murder. The first version cites Putin: A provocation to destabilize the political situation in the country as Nemtsov could have become a sacrificial victim for those who dont shirk from any means to achieve their political goals. The second lead involves Islamic extremists, as Nemtsov had shown his support for the journalists of Charlie Hebdo. None of the motives under investigation take into account his role as a prominent government critic.
The Kremlin held a rally last weekend in Moscow to denounce the Maidan protest in Kiev that ousted the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych a year ago and unleashed Putins wrath on Ukraine. Some demonstrators held up a sign reading The enemies of Russia need the Maidan, others a picture of Nemtsov with the words Maidan organizer.
The violence that is sweeping over Russia is not only physical. It is the daily verbal violence that pours out of millions of TV sets about the genocide of Russians in Ukraine and the treacherous fifth column funded by Washington.
Nothing is what it seems anymore. Not war, not peace, not political murder.
The answer to all the worlds provocations is a question: Komu vygodno?, or Who stands to gain? When Nemtsov published reports on official corruption, he was accused of being an American stoogeinstead of prosecutors taking his allegations seriously. After a Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, Russian state television dissected every possible conspiracy theory, including the Ukrainians mistaking MH17 for Putins plane, while omitting the most likely version: a stray anti-aircraft missile fired by pro-Russian rebels at a Ukrainian warplane.
Russias Investigative Committee has already released a list of possible motives for Nemtsovs murder. The first version cites Putin: A provocation to destabilize the political situation in the country as Nemtsov could have become a sacrificial victim for those who dont shirk from any means to achieve their political goals. The second lead involves Islamic extremists, as Nemtsov had shown his support for the journalists of Charlie Hebdo. None of the motives under investigation take into account his role as a prominent government critic.
The Kremlin held a rally last weekend in Moscow to denounce the Maidan protest in Kiev that ousted the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych a year ago and unleashed Putins wrath on Ukraine. Some demonstrators held up a sign reading The enemies of Russia need the Maidan, others a picture of Nemtsov with the words Maidan organizer.
The violence that is sweeping over Russia is not only physical. It is the daily verbal violence that pours out of millions of TV sets about the genocide of Russians in Ukraine and the treacherous fifth column funded by Washington.
Nothing is what it seems anymore. Not war, not peace, not political murder.
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The dolphin therapy failed? Maybe something deeper is going on there? freshwest sez:
freshwest
Mar 2015
#42
It's "the West's" fault! Ask robert parry or any of the other "blame the West first/Putin is
Cha
Feb 2015
#5
Nah, according to the putin protectors around here.. they got an answer for everything.. & putin is
Cha
Feb 2015
#8
How can we blame Putin when we dont have any moral authoirty to place blame on anyone?
politicman
Feb 2015
#9
Because Putin is to Blame.. I know the putin protectors want to shut down discussion about him
Cha
Feb 2015
#10
You "wake up".. and quit trying to shut down discussion on Putin.. This isn't Russia.
Cha
Feb 2015
#18
Good.. glad you're amused because there will not be any discussion shut down on Putin's actions in
Cha
Feb 2015
#20
well im sorry i can be a hypocrit and act outraged at putin without pointing out our own wrongs
politicman
Mar 2015
#27
no one is defending Putin, what I am doing is pointing out how Putin is just doing what we are
politicman
Mar 2015
#73
He sure seems invested in making sure we don't have any interest in posting "Putrid's" actions in
Cha
Mar 2015
#40
we reserve the right of national security interests, so why criticise them for claiming the same
politicman
Mar 2015
#50
What abotu Obama's intervention of Libya that resulted in a country in chaos?
politicman
Mar 2015
#72
We do actually. It doesn't give Putin any excuse, but don't pretend we're not in the same boat
Scootaloo
Mar 2015
#51
Recognizing cause and effect (e.g., blame) does not require moral authority.
LanternWaste
Mar 2015
#58
More false flag sucker bait. Ever seen Putin accused of it on RT, etc.? Yeah, right...
freshwest
Feb 2015
#12
Celebrity media smells where the money is going. Chump change to a man worth $200B.
freshwest
Mar 2015
#32
He's worth more than the Koch brothers at $200B. No wonder he and others think highly of him.
freshwest
Mar 2015
#31
Of the top FIVE Political Parites in Russia, which one was Boris Nemtsov in?? The Answer is NONE.
happyslug
Mar 2015
#62
He did not even have the 5% Lenin claim he needed to take over a government..
happyslug
Mar 2015
#71