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Egnever

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33. I think unknowingly you have pointed out why this has never and probably will never change.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:02 PM
Dec 2017

"Being alone with, or in a very private context with, a strange guy is one of those situations where women feel at risk no matter how nice and unthreatening the guy in question appears."

I don't say this because I find that fear irrational simply problematic.

The situation when reversed does not usually default to fear. On the other hand if putting your hand on someones waist during a hug becomes sexual assault that may in fact change.

When half of the population approaches the other out of fear there is no equality and never really can be. Each side will do what it can to protect themselves and in doing so will cause ripples of discrimination.

We have a ton of work to do and I have serious doubts we are even close to coming to any sort of solution.

It seems to me at this point that the me too movement is dangerously close to completely over stepping. If we are now going to take women's word in every situation at face value we are practically guaranteeing a return to even more work place discrimination. Who in their right mind would when given the choice between equally qualified candidates choose the woman when the woman comes with the possibility of lawsuits over hugs with no ability to even explore what happened. It would be foolish to do so.

At the same time how do we make the situation safe for the side that feels constantly under threat.

This is not an easy nut to crack by any stretch of the imagination.

I absolutely agree that cat calling or even just complimenting strangers can be creepy it can also be perfectly innocent and heartfelt and differentiating between them is often one of personal perception. I don't do it simply because of the potential for it to be seen as creepy not because I don't think that is a great hat or dress or whatever. That in my opinion is a sad state for society to be in.

Like I said... Iggo Dec 2017 #1
Yep. n/t TygrBright Dec 2017 #2
Thank you Achilleaze Dec 2017 #3
Thank you, TygrBright. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #4
Seems like basic politeness rules. Or how to interact with REAL people (assumes women real people) bobbieinok Dec 2017 #5
Yep. Nutshell version: "Would you compliment a guy that way?" TygrBright Dec 2017 #8
That's a great rule! Basic LA Dec 2017 #12
It seems basic but apparently it isn't... Phentex Dec 2017 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Dec 2017 #6
Complete baloney: RandomAccess Dec 2017 #23
No need to be rude steve2470 Dec 2017 #28
Allowing people to volunteer RandomAccess Dec 2017 #34
Good advice. MineralMan Dec 2017 #7
Yep, good capsule summary. TygrBright Dec 2017 #10
For me, personal comments of any kind require some sort MineralMan Dec 2017 #14
I'm a woman, and I might comment to a woman colleague about something appearance-generic lapislzi Dec 2017 #18
Yes. Being aware and thoughtful is always a good idea. MineralMan Dec 2017 #20
It is inappropriate to tell a women that you know as a friend that you like her hair or some other doc03 Dec 2017 #30
Just So You Know ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #9
Excellent Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #11
I am deeply honored. Thanks for telling me. n/t TygrBright Dec 2017 #15
May I add another tip for men (or women) not about appearance crazycatlady Dec 2017 #16
That doesn't really work as a universal rule, though. MineralMan Dec 2017 #17
I hung a "free hugs" sign on my office door lapislzi Dec 2017 #19
Yup. Some people are avid huggers. MineralMan Dec 2017 #21
Wow! Duppers Dec 2017 #35
Personal space is very important to me crazycatlady Dec 2017 #37
Thank You for the outstanding post..and the time you took to write it.. Stuart G Dec 2017 #22
Extraordinary intro material -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #24
A wonderful list. And one more addition: pnwmom Dec 2017 #25
CLIFF notes edition - Don't.... To many crazies to take a chance. bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #26
Here is another tip I have seen: spooky3 Dec 2017 #27
So I was at the gym a while back and a lady I barely knew said doc03 Dec 2017 #29
The first one was just about clothing treestar Dec 2017 #39
From the op I read if you would comment on how a women's clothing looks doc03 Dec 2017 #41
I don't get why some folks here set themselves wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #31
Gee how do you ever get to #6 if you obey all the first #5 to the letter? doc03 Dec 2017 #32
By talking about other things treestar Dec 2017 #38
I think unknowingly you have pointed out why this has never and probably will never change. Egnever Dec 2017 #33
Best advice for men: Don't even think about it. MindPilot Dec 2017 #36
The best advice is treat women how you'd want men to treat your mom, sister, wife and daughter(s). Fla Dem Dec 2017 #40
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