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TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:36 PM Dec 2017

Six tips for men about "Compliments" [View all]

Our culture is based on, and shaped by, patriarchal, misogynistic institutions, traditions, and norms. They're baked into everything, so completely that even those of us most constantly and negatively affected by them aren't always aware of how pervasively they've shaped everything about human interaction.

And yes, the laws have changed, but culture takes a LONG time to catch up with laws. And culture still shapes attitudes and expectations of all kinds of human interactions.

And it's complicated. There are layers and layers of stuff. So this is a necessary caveat here: I'm gonna oversimplify a bit, and I know I'm oversimplifying. Yeah, there are exceptions, and #notallmen, #notallwomen, #notallsituations, #notallwhatever applies.

That said:

Patriarchy assigns full human status, with all its implications of agency, control, dominance, etc., to people with a Y chromosome. Men. People without that chromosome (women) are by definition 'different' from that full human status. Things like agency, control, etc. have only been assigned to women in the context of their relationship to men. Value is assigned to women in the context of their existing or potential relationship to men.

Yes, women notice dreamboat eyes and nice buns, too. Finding people attractive physiologically isn't gender-specific, all humans are affected by it. But women are acculturated to regard men as fully human, powerful, potentially dangerous, multi-faceted beings whose opinion of us and actions in regard to us carries weight and importance. ALL men. Yes, even the pimply git behind the counter at the convenience store. Maybe he's not got the same potential significance as the guy in the three-piece suit behind the fancy desk, but he's a man all the same.

And for millennia, our survival and success has depended on how well we read those cues, assigned the right levels of importance to various men, and engaged in the right kind of interactions in every situation. And that included hyper-awareness of protecting and enhancing our own value based on their assessments of us. We have always had to walk the line between 'desirable' and 'available', and calculate the costs of being sexy enough to attract (i.e., be 'valuable') without DEvaluing ourselves as too available to maintain higher status.

Which is how we KNOW that men "complimenting" us on our appearance, particularly in public contexts, and particularly where those "compliments" are based on the value of specific body parts presumed to be sexually attractive, are not actually "complimenting" us in any real sense at all. They are objectifying us, attempting to define us as more "available" to them by the nature of our "sexiness." To lower our status by reaffirming that our appearance and sexual attributes are what matter about us. To cement our status as less-human than the males making the "compliments."

So here's a simple guide to "complimenting" female human beings, guys:

1. If you're in public, in a workspace, gym, public transit vehicle, restaurant, etc., and you have no personal acquaintance with or knowledge of a woman in proximity to you or providing some kind of professional service to you, DON'T COMPLIMENT HER APPEARANCE AT ALL. Compliments on her professional competence or expertise are fine, as long as they don't reference physical characteristics ("She moves pretty fast with those trays for someone with short legs"- no, no, no. Grow the fuck UP.)

2. If you're in public, workspace, etc., with women you have personal acquaintance with, in any degree of intimacy, keep compliments on her appearance to general observations without either implicit or explicit relation to sexual attractiveness. As in "you look great," or "nice color jacket" or "new haircut looks good" etc. (An exception to this would be if you have a close relationship and have specifically discussed it with each other that this particular woman welcomes more detailed commentary on her appearance for some reason.)

3. If you're NOT in public, with a woman you have little or no personal acquaintance with, do not reference her appearance at all, in any way. It's scary. You may not intend that, you might want to "flirt" with her, but don't. Just... DON'T. Being alone with, or in a very private context with, a strange guy is one of those situations where women feel at risk no matter how nice and unthreatening the guy in question appears.

4. If you're NOT in public, with a woman you know as a close acquaintance or even a friend, see rule 2. Generic observations on appearance. And-- and this is important!-- if she says "thank you!" SHE IS NOT flirting with you or inviting you to up your game to flirtation. She's being polite. Move on. Get to know her better in other ways. Eventually you might get an explicit invitation to flirt. Or you might not. You're not entitled, either way.

5. If you're NOT in public, with a woman who's a fairly close friend, and you feel just compelled to comment on her appearance (maybe for a reason that has nothing to do with the whole 'sexy' thing- you're just really delighted by her new hairdo, or noticed that she's lost weight, or whatever) ask her whether comments about appearance bother her, first. It may seem awkward, but it'll get you points, I promise. "umm... Would it make you uncomfortable if I say something nice about how you look? I know some people don't like that even when it's positive."

6. If you're NOT in public, with a woman you're intimate with, go to town. THAT'S when she wants to hear that watching her walk across the room gives you URGES.

So there ya go, guys.

Six hot tips on the "compliments" thing.

helpfully,
Bright


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Like I said... Iggo Dec 2017 #1
Yep. n/t TygrBright Dec 2017 #2
Thank you Achilleaze Dec 2017 #3
Thank you, TygrBright. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #4
Seems like basic politeness rules. Or how to interact with REAL people (assumes women real people) bobbieinok Dec 2017 #5
Yep. Nutshell version: "Would you compliment a guy that way?" TygrBright Dec 2017 #8
That's a great rule! Basic LA Dec 2017 #12
It seems basic but apparently it isn't... Phentex Dec 2017 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Dec 2017 #6
Complete baloney: RandomAccess Dec 2017 #23
No need to be rude steve2470 Dec 2017 #28
Allowing people to volunteer RandomAccess Dec 2017 #34
Good advice. MineralMan Dec 2017 #7
Yep, good capsule summary. TygrBright Dec 2017 #10
For me, personal comments of any kind require some sort MineralMan Dec 2017 #14
I'm a woman, and I might comment to a woman colleague about something appearance-generic lapislzi Dec 2017 #18
Yes. Being aware and thoughtful is always a good idea. MineralMan Dec 2017 #20
It is inappropriate to tell a women that you know as a friend that you like her hair or some other doc03 Dec 2017 #30
Just So You Know ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #9
Excellent Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #11
I am deeply honored. Thanks for telling me. n/t TygrBright Dec 2017 #15
May I add another tip for men (or women) not about appearance crazycatlady Dec 2017 #16
That doesn't really work as a universal rule, though. MineralMan Dec 2017 #17
I hung a "free hugs" sign on my office door lapislzi Dec 2017 #19
Yup. Some people are avid huggers. MineralMan Dec 2017 #21
Wow! Duppers Dec 2017 #35
Personal space is very important to me crazycatlady Dec 2017 #37
Thank You for the outstanding post..and the time you took to write it.. Stuart G Dec 2017 #22
Extraordinary intro material -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #24
A wonderful list. And one more addition: pnwmom Dec 2017 #25
CLIFF notes edition - Don't.... To many crazies to take a chance. bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #26
Here is another tip I have seen: spooky3 Dec 2017 #27
So I was at the gym a while back and a lady I barely knew said doc03 Dec 2017 #29
The first one was just about clothing treestar Dec 2017 #39
From the op I read if you would comment on how a women's clothing looks doc03 Dec 2017 #41
I don't get why some folks here set themselves wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #31
Gee how do you ever get to #6 if you obey all the first #5 to the letter? doc03 Dec 2017 #32
By talking about other things treestar Dec 2017 #38
I think unknowingly you have pointed out why this has never and probably will never change. Egnever Dec 2017 #33
Best advice for men: Don't even think about it. MindPilot Dec 2017 #36
The best advice is treat women how you'd want men to treat your mom, sister, wife and daughter(s). Fla Dem Dec 2017 #40
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