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In reply to the discussion: A fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between economic and social justice. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)50. I don't listen to the trope that economic equality and national health mean that sexism and racism
"will be made right," especially when that it being put forth by white straight older men. Reality doesn't support that.
Anti-immigrant anger threatens to remake the liberal Netherlands
Voters young and old, rich and poor, urban and rural said they would back the Geert Wilders-led Freedom Party no longer the preserve of the left-behinds which promises to solve the countrys problems by shutting borders, closing mosques and helping to dismantle the European Union.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/anti-immigrant-anger-threatens-to-remake-the-liberal-netherlands/2017/03/10/ebdb3a8c-ff4d-11e6-9b78-824ccab94435_story.html?utm_term=.816daccc5c3b
Expat women frustrated by sexism in Germany
Michelle Miller is an American lawyer who has been in Germany for five years. She believes that complacency is one obstacle to changing things. "It is problematic that sexism remains largely a hidden attitude in Germany," she argues.
"Until the EU forced the matter, there was no specific law in Germany addressing job discrimination based on sex - or race, for that matter. Many German lawyers voice the opinion that Germany doesn't need a law like we have in the US because there is no sexism or racism in the German workplace. If only that were true."
"Until the EU forced the matter, there was no specific law in Germany addressing job discrimination based on sex - or race, for that matter. Many German lawyers voice the opinion that Germany doesn't need a law like we have in the US because there is no sexism or racism in the German workplace. If only that were true."
https://www.expatica.com/de/insider-views/Expat-women-frustrated-by-sexism-in-Germany_100895.html
Sexism 'still rife in French politics' as record number of female MPs enter parliament but fail to gain top jobs
Sexism is still deeply ingrained in France's political DNA, warned a longstanding female ex-MP who has created a group to help newcomers to the National Assembly in what has been until now very much a male preserve.
"French politics in general and parliament in particular is a very male world. Men are very good at getting themselves the most important posts," said Catherine Coutelle.
Of the 577 newly elected Frence MPs, some 226 are female, beating the previous record of 155 set after the last election in 2012.
"French politics in general and parliament in particular is a very male world. Men are very good at getting themselves the most important posts," said Catherine Coutelle.
Of the 577 newly elected Frence MPs, some 226 are female, beating the previous record of 155 set after the last election in 2012.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/28/sexism-still-rife-french-politics-record-number-female-mps-enter/
And I am not of the opinion that the halcyon days of Union wages in the US were a golden era of social justice.
What has been shown to work is early intervention - before grade 3, not simply in diversifying school populations, by creating curricula that purposefully combine students into diverse groups on projects. Diversity in teachers has also been shown to increase educational success in diverse student populations. We also have to teach about racism - not just teach and let kids "observe it." Kids naturally gravitate towards that which is familiar, and unless "tribal thinking" is pointed out for the problems that it causes, kids will select their own tribe socially, even in a diverse school.
https://www.edutopia.org/blog/teaching-young-children-social-justice-jinnie-spiegler
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/09/29/552929074/if-your-teacher-looks-likes-you-you-may-do-better-in-school
I also believe that popular culture does a lot more than is credited with shaping narratives. I think that the Cosby Show achieved what it set out to do in bringing the idea of successful, highly educated people of color into living rooms. I think that may have paved the way for the Obamas acceptance than any march, or legislation. "Modern Family" likely did the same for acceptance of marriage equality and acceptance of gay parents.
Hamilton, and the outreach that the producers did for kids of color who would not otherwise have seen this radically inclusive look at America's founders will have a positive effect we will likely see in another decade, if not sooner.
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A fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between economic and social justice. [View all]
Garrett78
Nov 2017
OP
Not backwards. BOTH effects are synergistic in a vicious circle. Avoid "chicken or egg" trap.
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#5
Why pick one? If you do that, you tell part of your base to wait for their dire needs to be met.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#8
Woosh. "Pick one" as a STARTING point for ANALYSIS. Then pick the OTHER and see how it is a CIRCLE.
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#13
Yes, not deep, it's OBVIOUS. But you can't find anything I've written in thread that says "wait"
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#19
Clearly my post is entirely analysis, not prescription. I did not write your false quote.
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#29
Bzzzt. They & you complain about prescriptions when the post has no prescriptions. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#35
Read my post #5. It is nothing about prescribing remedies, hence NO PRIORITIZATION therein possible
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#60
And that's the argument I've been making the whole time...that we don't have to choose
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#42
In practice, it is usually difficult to separate economic power from political power:
struggle4progress
Nov 2017
#7
We have not yet "ultimately won" the fights against racism, sexism and xenophobia.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#9
Agreed. And we don't have to put aside the economic struggle to win those fights
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#43
Reparations not a solution. 1) Reconciliation, 2) Truly equal justice, 3) Economic support
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#11
Reconciliation rests on recognition of the wrongs and admission that they WERE wrongs.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#44
The idea to prioritize the fight for economic injustice seems 2b another trickle down theory.
Madam45for2923
Nov 2017
#18
So perhaps the GOP party will cease to exist and the Dem party will break into two parties?
Irish_Dem
Nov 2017
#21
Yeah, I misread or should say read more into your "postulated" statement than you intended
KPN
Nov 2017
#62
The 1% who control 38% of the wealth in this country would love to make this about race I am sure.
jalan48
Nov 2017
#36
Doesn't mean that things aren't about race. Wealthy black men still get stopped for
ehrnst
Nov 2017
#37
I agree and as a society we need to work to stop racial discrimination and injustice.
jalan48
Nov 2017
#40
Good luck with that approach. I'm sure you'll find people who like to be told what to do.
jalan48
Nov 2017
#47