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sarisataka

(18,857 posts)
45. The time to take out
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:42 PM
Sep 2017

NK nuclear facilities was about fifteen years ago. The ship sailed and will never return.

Essentially there are two options with four courses of action-

Diplomatic option
- continue negotiations- which has been completely ineffective at stopping NK nuclear program

- attempt to stop 100% of trade with NK to force them to offer concessions or collapse as the country starves. Recall it was a similar boycott that led Japan to take a chance and strike Pearl Harbor

Military option-
- Pre-emptive strike on nuclear facilities. Total success is doubtful due to lack of intelligence and underground protection. Almost assuredly would require first nuclear weapon use since WW2 for greatest chance of success.
-- would require concurrent strike on NK leadership in densly populated city to minimize nuclear or conventional retaliation on SK. Casualties likely to reach or exceed one million, even in limited conflict
--- nearly 100% chance of resuming war on Korean peninsula and can plausibly escalate beyond to a full nuclear exchange between major powers. Potentially multi-billion casualties

- wait for NK to blow a 250kt hole in a city, possibly in continental US, then counter strike with all previous risks still valid



No, no one should ever strike first Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1
Does that mean I can pencil you in as a no ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #2
Never. tymorial Sep 2017 #3
For attacks on U.S. soil exboyfil Sep 2017 #4
If we respond to an attack on us or an ally it would not be a pre-emptive attack DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #5
This talk of nuclear war is making me sick to my stomach. Initech Sep 2017 #6
Any military option sarisataka Sep 2017 #7
No - but JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #8
With things as they are now, no. FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #9
Questions like this normalize Donald. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #10
If the choice is Living with his nukes or not, Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #11
The question is sarisataka Sep 2017 #12
Are we prepared for a ground war with China ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #16
Pre-emptive action sarisataka Sep 2017 #19
I take China at their word. War in their neighborhood is the last thing they want. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #25
Questions DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #14
Answers Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #17
My answers DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #24
Thank you. Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #28
So DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #29
Works both ways Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #30
They could sell fissile material for a dirty bomb as we speak. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #33
Good questions Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #36
The time to take out sarisataka Sep 2017 #45
enlist now. spanone Sep 2017 #32
Undecided right now. bluepen Sep 2017 #13
Only if it results in horrific carnage and massive civilian death & suffering Orrex Sep 2017 #15
It certainly will so I guess we should support it. Tobin S. Sep 2017 #18
No, China has publically stated they will support whichever state is not the initiator !! JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #20
The only ones who would cheer at the use of nukes are Trump supporters nt maryellen99 Sep 2017 #21
wow Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #22
No. Xolodno Sep 2017 #23
I'd support an attack if they lobbed a missile and hit one of our allies. bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #26
That wouldn't be a pre-emptive strike. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #27
Correct- bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #34
Every reasonable person would. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #35
Reasonable people also know that little Kim will continue to be a thorn bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #38
THREAD WINNER !!!!! Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #43
Where's the "Hell no!!!!!!!" option? Lars39 Sep 2017 #31
Someone said yes? wryter2000 Sep 2017 #37
If we strike 1st, China says they will back North Korea. nt oasis Sep 2017 #39
If we strike first we totally own every horror that comes after workinclasszero Sep 2017 #40
Not only NO, BUT HELL NO!!! Raster Sep 2017 #41
If Kim Jong Un, most of his family and a bunch of generals were to congregate in one place... Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #42
Seoul is with conventional artillery range. KG Sep 2017 #44
Screw Seattle and Portland !! Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #46
You figured us out DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #47
Just having a little fun. Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #48
*****Breaking***** Gore1FL is kicking thread for DSB. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #49
Here's another one. A kick and a recommendation would be much appreciated. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #50
I'll rec your Mueller Time thread, but I don't care about Kid Rock, Eminem and ICP. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #51
Turnabout is fair play Gore1FL Sep 2017 #52
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