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In reply to the discussion: What do you think is the IQ of your average Trump supporter? [View all]L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)20. USA Avg. IQ: 98 -- World ranking: #9
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/us-united-states
This illustrates how biased IQ testing is and how controversial it is.
This illustrates how biased IQ testing is and how controversial it is.
Are Bush Voters Really So "Dumb"?
One of the reasons standardized tests like IQ tests are so controversial and so disliked is that certain minority groups tend to score lower than average on them. I'm not here to defend these tests, or to theorize why these groups score lower on average (and there are many convincing and reasonable explanations); I'm merely pointing out a well-known and universally acknowledged fact. Specifically, that Native Americans, Hispanics, and African-Americans tend to score slightly lower on tests that measure or approximate IQ.
Why bring up this uncomfortable fact? Well, look at the map above again. In particular, look at New Mexico, Texas, and Mississippi, as examples. All three of these states were won by Bush. But certain counties within each state voted for Kerry. In New Mexico, as the map reveals, the northern areas went for Kerry. Yet northern New Mexico is where most of the state's Native American reservations are. Thus, Native Americans tended to favor Kerry. Now look at Texas; the state went almost entirely for Bush, except for the area along the Mexican border, which has a high concentration of Hispanics. Thus, it seems that Kerry got a lot of Hispanic votes. Now on to Mississippi: mostly Bush, except for the counties that border on the Mississippi River -- counties which are majority African-American. (The same principle applies to many other states as well.)
It doesn't take a genius to see where this is heading. IF you accept the validity of IQ (which Kerry supporters unearthed to prop up their "Bush voters are dumb" thesis), and IF you acknowledge that certain minority groups, for whatever sociological and economic reasons (poverty, language barriers, cultural differences), score slightly lower than average on IQ tests, THEN you can come to only one conclusion: that those residents of "red" states that are voting for Kerry are the ones with the lower-than-average IQs. Which means that the higher-IQ residents of many "red" states are the ones voting for Bush.
One of the reasons standardized tests like IQ tests are so controversial and so disliked is that certain minority groups tend to score lower than average on them. I'm not here to defend these tests, or to theorize why these groups score lower on average (and there are many convincing and reasonable explanations); I'm merely pointing out a well-known and universally acknowledged fact. Specifically, that Native Americans, Hispanics, and African-Americans tend to score slightly lower on tests that measure or approximate IQ.
Why bring up this uncomfortable fact? Well, look at the map above again. In particular, look at New Mexico, Texas, and Mississippi, as examples. All three of these states were won by Bush. But certain counties within each state voted for Kerry. In New Mexico, as the map reveals, the northern areas went for Kerry. Yet northern New Mexico is where most of the state's Native American reservations are. Thus, Native Americans tended to favor Kerry. Now look at Texas; the state went almost entirely for Bush, except for the area along the Mexican border, which has a high concentration of Hispanics. Thus, it seems that Kerry got a lot of Hispanic votes. Now on to Mississippi: mostly Bush, except for the counties that border on the Mississippi River -- counties which are majority African-American. (The same principle applies to many other states as well.)
It doesn't take a genius to see where this is heading. IF you accept the validity of IQ (which Kerry supporters unearthed to prop up their "Bush voters are dumb" thesis), and IF you acknowledge that certain minority groups, for whatever sociological and economic reasons (poverty, language barriers, cultural differences), score slightly lower than average on IQ tests, THEN you can come to only one conclusion: that those residents of "red" states that are voting for Kerry are the ones with the lower-than-average IQs. Which means that the higher-IQ residents of many "red" states are the ones voting for Bush.
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What do you think is the IQ of your average Trump supporter? [View all]
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2017
OP
I believe 70 is that number that should you fall below you couldn't pass a driver's test.
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2017
#2
I'm not suggesting I Q tests should be linked to driver's licenses or any licensure.
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2017
#12
When I was in grad school the smartest person I knew read Wittgenstein for fun.
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2017
#22
No, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if she scored "average" on an intelligence test.
dawg
Sep 2017
#32
According to a study linked here yesterday, the average Trump voter is white. Period.
yardwork
Sep 2017
#8
This is not about IQ. It's about self-delusion and authoritarian and racist preferences.
DetlefK
Sep 2017
#10
Not to mention, there is no such thing as race. It is a mental construct, nothing more.
L. Coyote
Sep 2017
#42
The psychiatrist actually nailed my IQ just by asking me to interpret several metaphors
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2017
#53
I think stereotyping Trump voters as dumb is incorrect and possibly harmful.
Oneironaut
Sep 2017
#46
Average Americans. Many wealthy and poor, educated and not. Just weird intersectional backgrounds!
TheBlackAdder
Sep 2017
#55
I don't think it's an IQ thing. trump ran a bigoted campaign, and people went with it.
LuvLoogie
Sep 2017
#56