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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
20. USA Avg. IQ: 98 -- World ranking: #9
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:18 AM
Sep 2017
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/us-united-states

This illustrates how biased IQ testing is and how controversial it is.


Are Bush Voters Really So "Dumb"?



One of the reasons standardized tests like IQ tests are so controversial and so disliked is that certain minority groups tend to score lower than average on them. I'm not here to defend these tests, or to theorize why these groups score lower on average (and there are many convincing and reasonable explanations); I'm merely pointing out a well-known and universally acknowledged fact. Specifically, that Native Americans, Hispanics, and African-Americans tend to score slightly lower on tests that measure or approximate IQ.

Why bring up this uncomfortable fact? Well, look at the map above again. In particular, look at New Mexico, Texas, and Mississippi, as examples. All three of these states were won by Bush. But certain counties within each state voted for Kerry. In New Mexico, as the map reveals, the northern areas went for Kerry. Yet northern New Mexico is where most of the state's Native American reservations are. Thus, Native Americans tended to favor Kerry. Now look at Texas; the state went almost entirely for Bush, except for the area along the Mexican border, which has a high concentration of Hispanics. Thus, it seems that Kerry got a lot of Hispanic votes. Now on to Mississippi: mostly Bush, except for the counties that border on the Mississippi River -- counties which are majority African-American. (The same principle applies to many other states as well.)

It doesn't take a genius to see where this is heading. IF you accept the validity of IQ (which Kerry supporters unearthed to prop up their "Bush voters are dumb" thesis), and IF you acknowledge that certain minority groups, for whatever sociological and economic reasons (poverty, language barriers, cultural differences), score slightly lower than average on IQ tests, THEN you can come to only one conclusion: that those residents of "red" states that are voting for Kerry are the ones with the lower-than-average IQs. Which means that the higher-IQ residents of many "red" states are the ones voting for Bush.
IQ is a highly accurate measurement Orrex Sep 2017 #1
I believe 70 is that number that should you fall below you couldn't pass a driver's test. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #2
Well, an IQ test is a blunt instrument, so it should be used with care Orrex Sep 2017 #6
I'm not suggesting I Q tests should be linked to driver's licenses or any licensure. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #12
Well... Orrex Sep 2017 #14
I would never suggest linking an I Q test to any kind of licensure. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #16
True, but at the other end of the spectrum... Orrex Sep 2017 #18
Are you content ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #19
Yes, but I could have been a bit more contenter. Orrex Sep 2017 #21
When I was in grad school the smartest person I knew read Wittgenstein for fun. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #22
Agree, well said. MLAA Sep 2017 #51
I think they are average, to slightly above average. dawg Sep 2017 #3
Do you believe this woman wore her shirt to her local MENSA meeting? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #9
& too f-ing cheap to have a better t shirt made. irisblue Sep 2017 #25
To wear a shirt like that you must have self esteem issues. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #27
No, I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if she scored "average" on an intelligence test. dawg Sep 2017 #32
Having given IQ tests for 20+ years, my guess is that most are Low Average. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #4
Which IQ? Afromania Sep 2017 #5
A majority heaven05 Sep 2017 #7
According to a study linked here yesterday, the average Trump voter is white. Period. yardwork Sep 2017 #8
This is not about IQ. It's about self-delusion and authoritarian and racist preferences. DetlefK Sep 2017 #10
It would be thier EQ that is collectively low IMO lunasun Sep 2017 #11
Remember, 100 is the mean randr Sep 2017 #13
Not to be pedantic but 100 is the median. The mean is the average. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #15
My 4 and 6 year old Granddaughters..... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2017 #17
USA Avg. IQ: 98 -- World ranking: #9 L. Coyote Sep 2017 #20
My poll was tongue in cheek. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #23
I have researched IQ sarisataka Sep 2017 #33
I have had this debate before with some really bright people. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #37
Correct sarisataka Sep 2017 #39
Also I Q is randomly distributed within races. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #40
Not to mention, there is no such thing as race. It is a mental construct, nothing more. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #42
That too is correct sarisataka Sep 2017 #43
I never took a formal IQ test DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #47
For the most part sarisataka Sep 2017 #50
The psychiatrist actually nailed my IQ just by asking me to interpret several metaphors DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #53
Trump fans Mendocino Sep 2017 #24
I would vote sarisataka Sep 2017 #26
I am very uncomfortable with this post tymorial Sep 2017 #28
I plead guilty to holding Trump voters in contempt. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #30
Holding trump voters in contempt is perfectly fine tymorial Sep 2017 #34
I Q is correlated to different outcomes. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #38
Lemme check my thermostat... krispos42 Sep 2017 #29
Between 69 and 120 defacto7 Sep 2017 #31
The most fervent Trump supporter in my family Mariana Sep 2017 #35
88 --of course. malchickiwick Sep 2017 #36
. sarisataka Sep 2017 #52
moran Squinch Sep 2017 #41
My cats are smarter. left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #44
The IQ scale doesn't have negative numbers so I'll pass /nt sdfernando Sep 2017 #45
I think stereotyping Trump voters as dumb is incorrect and possibly harmful. Oneironaut Sep 2017 #46
The vote is not weighted according to IQ. milestogo Sep 2017 #48
Normal IQ ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #49
My entire row of engineers happily voted for Trump exboyfil Sep 2017 #54
Average Americans. Many wealthy and poor, educated and not. Just weird intersectional backgrounds! TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #55
I don't think it's an IQ thing. trump ran a bigoted campaign, and people went with it. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #56
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