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Bluerthanblue

(13,669 posts)
26. yes, to a great degree we have-
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jul 2012

I agree. However, like it or not, there is a pretty large group of fellow citizens who don't see the world the way we do. They were forced to compromise during the FDR years and to some degree during the JFK/Johnson years.

It is easy to see things only from this side- but I think if you look back over history, there are many important policies which have been put into place and become accepted by society which have withstood many attempts from the opposition. They must feel as defeated as we do in their own way.

Personally I think that the progressive- "for the good of all citizens" - perspective is the absolute 'right' one. But I know many other people who live here as well who see life differently. As hard as they fight against our agenda we fight against theirs. It's a difficult, messy and ugly system- but that is how it is.

It's important to remember that there are 'Republicans' who sincerly believe that thier way is the best way for this country, just as we believe that ours is. The tension between the two parties is not easy to live with or navigate, but it is what a Democracy is all about (in my understanding).

I share your frustration and anger about where we are today- but lamenting the fact that we are far from where we want to be can distract us from our journey and seriously hurt us in the long run if we let it.
i've found this true in my own life experiences.
fwiw

The lesser of two evils. [View all] MadHound Jul 2012 OP
is a shit phrase... SidDithers Jul 2012 #1
Sid, Sid, Sid, MadHound Jul 2012 #3
Prove it... SidDithers Jul 2012 #4
Link to what? MadHound Jul 2012 #7
You said you've heard me use that phrase for the last 10 years... SidDithers Jul 2012 #9
Nah, not making shit up, MadHound Jul 2012 #19
If you said user used it bigwillq Jul 2012 #29
So you're saying that I should put down the very productive work I'm engaged in currently MadHound Jul 2012 #36
Yes bigwillq Jul 2012 #48
He's not worth it. bvar22 Jul 2012 #50
... SidDithers Jul 2012 #51
Very well said. woo me with science Jul 2012 #57
... SidDithers Jul 2012 #59
I think you've confused DU with reality. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #113
I've been here since 2004 zappaman Jul 2012 #64
The man's busy! Cut him a break! Robb Jul 2012 #65
If you say something you can't prove, tabasco Jul 2012 #122
Nothing but crickets, eh?...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #15
Quit while you are ahead Sid NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #18
You're right, Don. Good advice...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #33
I agree Sid. Maybe the lesser of two "Idols" Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #8
And we have compromised our way from enacting socialist policies, MadHound Jul 2012 #12
yes, to a great degree we have- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #26
Exactly Sid!!!---nt wendylaroux Jul 2012 #32
So is "drone warfare". rug Jul 2012 #61
I can agree Xyzse Jul 2012 #2
Yes, it is a long term strategy, MadHound Jul 2012 #6
Not quite certain. Xyzse Jul 2012 #16
Thank you. EOTE Jul 2012 #5
Agree. n/t 99Forever Jul 2012 #10
All we can do now is to try to stop the move to the right csziggy Jul 2012 #11
That, and "not as bad" has been the de facto campaign slogan for the party for years. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #13
In 2008 I voted for Obama, in 2012 I will vote Autumn Jul 2012 #14
Everyone has different interpretations of what constitutes 'the center' or 'blue dog'. randome Jul 2012 #23
+1 Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #27
Right back at ya! randome Jul 2012 #30
That is what I will do after 2012, and IMO centrists and blue dogs are the Autumn Jul 2012 #43
Dude, you rock! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #76
I agree amfortas the hippie Jul 2012 #17
Welcome to DU, amfortas the hippie. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #80
"Things a troll would say to depress Democratic enthusiasm for $200, Alex" scheming daemons Jul 2012 #20
Not false equivalency memes, but the historical truth MadHound Jul 2012 #24
(yawn) Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #31
Thank you whoever alerted on this OP, I missed giving it a rec. Lionessa Jul 2012 #21
Wake up and Smell the 21st Century Zyzafyx Jul 2012 #22
Homeless is homeless ...ask them if it makes a difference. L0oniX Jul 2012 #25
...is still evil (nt) bigwillq Jul 2012 #28
It does feel like a one way street we are on. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #34
But of what use is winning elections, MadHound Jul 2012 #35
+1. The only purpose is as you say to start, the lesser of evils. Lionessa Jul 2012 #37
You can roll over and die, if you want. (Actually, I'd prefer that you don't.) randome Jul 2012 #38
Where are we getting, where are we going under this president, MadHound Jul 2012 #39
Not only do we need to work with what we have... randome Jul 2012 #41
Then you better get busy finding a candidate for 2016 ... Obama is the candidate for 2012. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #46
Well, we have to hope right? It seems like all we have left. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #93
Well, ProSense Jul 2012 #40
How is actual evil in deep shit? MadHound Jul 2012 #42
Complacency, not evils Spike89 Jul 2012 #44
Dear Admins: May we please have un-rec back? Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #45
+1... SidDithers Jul 2012 #47
It's pro-democratic as it suggests ways to improve just1voice Jul 2012 #49
That's just the candy-coating on the bullshit cookie emulatorloo Jul 2012 #55
I prefer posting my objections in the thread. MineralMan Jul 2012 #62
Well said! nt One of the 99 Jul 2012 #67
Rec, unrec, whatever, you made your point, MadHound Jul 2012 #68
who's more Trollish? amfortas the hippie Jul 2012 #84
I agree with this post. Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #52
That's the way it always is going to be treestar Jul 2012 #53
Thank you. We desperately need a plan. woo me with science Jul 2012 #54
As a whole, Republicans are evil. As a whole Dems aren't evil emulatorloo Jul 2012 #56
Idiotic post. Robb Jul 2012 #58
The only people I've seen use that expression MineralMan Jul 2012 #60
You better believe it!...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #63
Once again MM, you're reading for the quick snark, not content. MadHound Jul 2012 #70
No, I'm not doing that at all. MineralMan Jul 2012 #83
Yep, Still Evil. Kurt Sperry Jul 2012 #66
Utilitarianism is a valid ideology dmallind Jul 2012 #115
MadNeedsANewHobby WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #69
Well said! B Calm Jul 2012 #71
You, of all people, cautioning against matches and kerosene, MadHound Jul 2012 #72
"...thus I don't have time to engage in the drama" WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #73
Amen. woo me with science Jul 2012 #74
Yep. The news is all good for Obama so DevonRex Jul 2012 #75
"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #77
New poll reflects ‘lesser of two evils’ mood with Obama in big lead Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #78
The biggest obstacles are the major political parties. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #79
So the Democratic Party is EVIL? Obama is EVIL? DevonRex Jul 2012 #81
sorry amfortas the hippie Jul 2012 #85
in the black/white with us or against us mentality Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #86
Wow, you're reading a lot into my OP that simply isn't there. MadHound Jul 2012 #87
actually, you Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #88
Well, the fact is, if we can't pull the party back to the left, we are fucked. MadHound Jul 2012 #92
Calling Democrats and the Democratic Party evil for a start. DevonRex Jul 2012 #103
Always glad to be of service, MadHound Jul 2012 #107
Perhaps you did. Like don't insult people here? Nt DevonRex Jul 2012 #117
take a good look at some of the choices being offered hfojvt Jul 2012 #89
YES!!!! Finally an honest answer ladies and gentlemen. DevonRex Jul 2012 #101
Oh for pete's sake. nt woo me with science Jul 2012 #91
Don't be condescending to me. I'm a lesser of 2 evils. DevonRex Jul 2012 #100
That was incoherent. woo me with science Jul 2012 #120
Sophistry. Are, all Democrats up for election GOOD? Are all Democrats GOOD? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #110
I think Democrats are pretty damned good people. Nt DevonRex Jul 2012 #118
All of them? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #126
sad to say hfojvt Jul 2012 #82
Who is this 'we' you speak of? People who agree with you? randome Jul 2012 #90
we is usually me hfojvt Jul 2012 #128
Desperate Strawman argument. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #112
When I vote for Obama in November, I won't be voting for an "evil" cali Jul 2012 #94
+1 Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #96
I pen the same screed endlessly? Really? MadHound Jul 2012 #97
+1. DevonRex Jul 2012 #104
Well hey, admitting to the problem is always half the problem, MadHound Jul 2012 #106
Correct, but Third Way corporatists will prevent liberal Democrats from ever electing liberal Dems. Zorra Jul 2012 #95
Yup. The Third Way was never a grass roots phenomenon. woo me with science Jul 2012 #127
Looks like someone is sad that the Democrats are winning this thing. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #98
Looks like somebody has no clue about me or what I'm talking about. MadHound Jul 2012 #99
Yawn. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #102
Sadly typical of your fare, MadHound Jul 2012 #105
Sorry, I would respond, but I have Very Important Work to do. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #109
Well run along then, MadHound Jul 2012 #111
I call that my Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #116
In the past you've advocated letting Republicans win. You are doing the same here, but more subtly emulatorloo Jul 2012 #119
Wow. Look at his OP that started that thread. DevonRex Jul 2012 #123
He wants everybody else to has a sad too. DevonRex Jul 2012 #121
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #108
How well do left-of-Democratic candidates do when they are available? dmallind Jul 2012 #114
DU unrec. great white snark Jul 2012 #124
DU Rec. nt woo me with science Jul 2012 #125
And here I thought trying to suppress turnout was a Republican thing. AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #129
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