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Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:22 AM Sep 2017

Focusing on Bernie Sanders as an individual is a harmful distraction [View all]

I did not support Bernie Sanders, I do not like Bernie Sanders, I don't think what happened in the 2016 primaries should have been allowed to happen and I would support any endeavor to make sure it never happens again. Although I voted for Clinton (for all the difference it made in California) I did not support her either because I didn't think she was nationally competitive.

However we have to be honest about what happened. Bernie Sanders found a significant amount of support among the leftist wing of our party. This was nothing but sincere idealism, there was nothing sinister about it. The problem however is that this expression was met with disingenuous allegations of deplorablism. You couldn't plot the differences between Clinton and Sanders supporters on any issue of gender, race or sexuality on a Venn diagram because there aren't any. Bernie supporters were no more motivated by misogyny than ISIS is motivated by Metamodernism but by casting Bernie supporters as our very own flavor of deplorable it became difficult to then unite behind Clinton as the camps meet with mutual suspicion or loathing.

Going into 2020 we are most likely going to have Gillibrand and Booker, a white woman and a black man running, both centrists with records and histories that the left aren't going to like very much. "The Tobacco Industry Lawyer" and "Hedge Fund Apologist School Privatizing Neo-Liberal."

We can not put ourselves in a position where the opponents of Gillibrand and Booker who sincerely enough support the other or follow another candidate entirely in the primaries (preferably an actual Democrat) are dishonestly attacked as misogynists and racists. You can not attack someone's character and then reasonably expect their loyalty when the dust settles.

I will not excuse anything the Bernie supporters did that was disruptive or otherwise inappropriate but the Clinton camp crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed and must never be crossed again. If we allow the supporters of primary opponents to be attacked in this way we will tear ourselves to pieces and permanently ostracize not just leftists but the mainstream who find themselves having bet on the wrong horse.

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Thank you, Walter. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #1
I agree Ken. saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #26
Any self-identifed progressive who voted, but refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016 still_one Sep 2017 #2
the purpose of DU is to "elect more democrats". that's the guiding principle nt msongs Sep 2017 #3
Does assembling a circular firing squad help "elect more democrats"? Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #5
Have you looked into what Our Revolution is doing? Or now Move On...there are others. They Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18
"Our Revolution" has stated openly, via their leader Nina Turner, that they could/would.... George II Sep 2017 #20
Exactly...they are not progressives nor are they Democrats. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22
Nina Turner said this in an interview with The Nation about a month or so ago: George II Sep 2017 #24
"If there is a Republican ... that believes in Medicare For All" geek tragedy Sep 2017 #29
The one-way firing squad certainly hasn't helped BainsBane Sep 2017 #34
Some people like calling people racist and sexist more than they like winning. redgreenandblue Sep 2017 #4
Some people like calling people corporatist and turd way BainsBane Sep 2017 #6
+1000 stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #8
This! mcar Sep 2017 #14
Thank you! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #33
Some folks are racist and sexist as demonstrated by Charlottesville....some people Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #16
Yes, there are people like that, and all of us, whoever we supported in 2016, are against them. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #27
This was my view of the primary, coming from an Independent progressive... chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #7
he lost get over it... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #9
Walter didn't support Bernie, so you have no reason to say that to him. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #28
Funny how the majority of MRA-ish DUers ended up over at JPR. No pattern there at all. seaglass Sep 2017 #10
Had Bernie won the primary 99% of HRC supporters would have voted for him in the general election. haveahart Sep 2017 #11
+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #13
History suggests the opposite LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #19
Facts sometimes get in the way of what people want to believe mythology Sep 2017 #25
Have you forgotten the 2008 PUMAs? aikoaiko Sep 2017 #21
Have you forgotten Bernie is a white guy? Have you forgotten he would have been running against DT? haveahart Sep 2017 #23
There would have been centrist/moderate Clinton supporters who would not have supported geek tragedy Sep 2017 #30
There would have been centrist/moderate Clinton supporters who would not have supported geek tragedy Sep 2017 #31
Actually, we can't be sure of that. There were a LOT of people here Ken Burch Sep 2017 #32
K and R. The demonization of Bernie supporters is incredibly shortsighted Arazi Sep 2017 #12
I find your post completely untrue. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #15
I.m not seeing "sincere optimism," but instead pessimistic nativist-populism that... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #17
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