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NNadir

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25. His mentor and commander was a Virginian as well and didn't become a traitor.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 05:42 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Winfield Scott took the Commander In Chief role. He was a Virginian, like Lee and like the great Union General George Thomas.

Only the slave holders thought that being a traitor "was expected" of Thomas and Scott. Thomas and Scott, by contrast, saw that the preservation of the Union and the United States was expected and required by their oaths on assuming their commands.

Lee was unabashedly racist, as is post war testimony before Congress demonstrated, when he claimed "Negros lack the necessities" to be full citizens. He regarded his duty under the Washington/Custis will to free his slaves as extremely unpleasant.

Lee is over rated, both as a human being, and as a general.

Montgomery Meigs, born in Georgia, who served as the Quartermaster General with great distinction for the Union Army gave Lee his just deserts, and expressing his unremitting contempt for Lee, by converting Lee's estate into a cemetery for the people Lee killed.

Lee was a butcher who decimated his army with aggressive tactics which were blundering wastes of humanity. In fact, the only one of his subordinate commanders to survive the war was Longstreet, and even he had been badly wounded.

Alan Nolan's wonderful book "Lee Considered" takes down this marble edifice that has been white washed and excused by history.

About the only decent thing that Robert E. Lee did during the war was to surrender to his moral, ethical and military superior, Ulysses S. Grant. He fought for an extra year, killing tens of thousands of people fighting a cause which he knew would fail.

I note he did a lot, with his whiny self excusing letter to his troops after the surrender, to create the "Lost Cause" mythology on which right wing racists have been hanging the hats they take off their empty skulls right up to the present day.

Practically every civilized being on the planet understood by the 1860's that slavery was an awful and terrible wrong.

Lee didn't. He was a disgrace to his country and the honor attached to him by racist historians like Douglas Freeman and Shelby Foote is not justified in any way.

Lee did fight against the United States union... defacto7 Aug 2017 #1
and what pray tell does that change? DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #2
What does that change..... defacto7 Aug 2017 #7
not killing or Mercy DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #16
The specifics of this statement.. defacto7 Aug 2017 #18
What Lee did was usual, choosing his state over the federal government Yupster Aug 2017 #10
Love to hear history spelled out. defacto7 Aug 2017 #14
a good quote DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #17
Grant's rise came rather late in the war. When Lee declined the offer, probably no one, save... NNadir Aug 2017 #11
Thanks for posting these historic details.... defacto7 Aug 2017 #13
A comment just for the sake of historical accuracy. The Union Army had 3 generals before Grant. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #20
"This side of the conflict believes in genocide and breaking their eggs at the small end. Aristus Aug 2017 #34
Angela Rye on CNN just said that the Washington and Jefferson statues also need to come down oberliner Aug 2017 #3
that can be debated DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #4
I agree with you oberliner Aug 2017 #5
Kind of broad. We can judge Lee because he chose defacto7 Aug 2017 #8
The US revolution delayed the end of slavery Yupster Aug 2017 #9
Your right. But the British empire didn't create defacto7 Aug 2017 #15
"The British empire didn't create a government thucythucy Aug 2017 #26
"The British empire ended slavery long before the USA did." EX500rider Aug 2017 #19
Thirty one years is a long time thucythucy Aug 2017 #27
Most northern US states abolished slavery before the British Empire did oberliner Aug 2017 #23
But then the Fugitive Slave Act thucythucy Aug 2017 #28
As did Andrew Jackson Ex Lurker Aug 2017 #21
Hear, hear! Missn-Hitch Aug 2017 #6
Lee and Washington were both slave owning traitors Nevernose Aug 2017 #12
Going out on a limb here... GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #22
I will go even further than you did Yupster Aug 2017 #24
His mentor and commander was a Virginian as well and didn't become a traitor. NNadir Aug 2017 #25
Thanks for this post. thucythucy Aug 2017 #29
So, I gather you don't like Lee. That's fine but Yupster Aug 2017 #30
I despise Lee, but I was referring to immediate subordinates AP Hill and Jackson, corps commanders. NNadir Aug 2017 #31
You bring up interesting topics for discussion Yupster Aug 2017 #33
Well, I certainly feel that vitriol is the appropriate way to view Robert E. Lee. NNadir Aug 2017 #35
Most of that is Jim Crow, Lost Cause propaganda Nevernose Aug 2017 #32
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