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pnwmom

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Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:53 PM Aug 2017

Some of the religious protesters say the anti-fa/anarchists may have saved their lives. [View all]

I have read more than one story like this from clergy protesters and their allies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_top

Brandy Daniels
Postdoctoral fellow at the Luce Project on Religion and Its Publics at UVA

It was basically impossible to miss the antifa for the group of us who were on the steps of Emancipation Park in an effort to block the Nazis and alt-righters from entering. Soon after we got to the steps and linked arms, a group of white supremacists—I’m guessing somewhere between 20-45 of them—came up with their shields and batons and bats and shoved through us. We tried not to break the line, but they got through some of us—it was terrifying, to say the least—shoving forcefully with their shields and knocking a few folks over. We strengthened our resolve and committed to not break the line again. Some of the anarchists and anti-fascist folks came up to us and asked why we let them through and asked what they could do to help. Rev. Osagyefo Sekou talked with them for a bit, explaining what we were doing and our stance and asking them to not provoke the Nazis. They agreed quickly and stood right in front of us, offering their help and protection.

Less than 10 minutes later, a much larger group of the Nazi alt-righters come barreling up. My memory is again murky on the details. (I was frankly focused on not bolting from the scene and/or not soiling myself—I know hyperbole is common in recounting stories like these, but I was legitimately very worried for my well-being and safety, so I was trying to remember the training I had acquired as well as, for resolve, to remember why I was standing there.) But it had to have been at least 100 of them this go around. I recall feeling like I was going to pass out and was thankful that I was locked arms with folks so that I wouldn’t fall to the ground before getting beaten. I knew that the five anarchists and antifa in front of us and the 20 or so of us were no match for the 100-plus of them, but at this point I wasn’t letting go.

At that point, more of the anarchists and antifa milling nearby saw the huge mob of the Nazis approach and stepped in. They were about 200-300 feet away from us and stepped between us (the clergy and faith leaders) and the Nazis. This enraged the Nazis, who indeed quickly responded violently. At this point, Sekou made a call that it was unsafe—it had gotten very violent very fast—and told us to disperse quickly.

While one obviously can’t objectively say what a kind of alternate reality or “sliding doors”–type situation would have been, one can hypothesize or theorize. Based on what was happening all around, the looks on their faces, the sheer number of them, and the weapons they were wielding, my hypothesis or theory is that had the antifa not stepped in, those of us standing on the steps would definitely have been injured, very likely gravely so. On Democracy Now, Cornel West, who was also in the line with us, said that he felt that the antifa saved his life. I didn’t roll my eyes at that statement or see it as an exaggeration—I saw it as a very reasonable hypothesis based on the facts we had.

Rabbi Rachel Schmelkin
Congregation Beth Israel

There was a group of antifa defending First United Methodist Church right outside in their parking lot, and at one point the white supremacists came by and antifa chased them off with sticks.

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Shhh...don't tell DU's protest purity police Downtown Hound Aug 2017 #1
The peaceful protesters didn't fail. Heather Heyer was one of them and she didn't fail. pnwmom Aug 2017 #2
No the protesters there didn't fail Downtown Hound Aug 2017 #6
yep I saw a DUer automatically dismiss an account of what happened because it came from m-lekktor Aug 2017 #11
Democratic leaders need to denounce violence in all its forms. kentuck Aug 2017 #3
When the peaceful clergy were being physically attacked by the Nazis pnwmom Aug 2017 #4
Anyone has a right to defend themselves. kentuck Aug 2017 #5
None of those things are what the writers here described. They talked about the anti-fa pnwmom Aug 2017 #8
Exactly! kentuck Aug 2017 #9
The accounts of the assembled clergy were consistent. The anti-fa acted to defend them pnwmom Aug 2017 #10
I will give it more study. kentuck Aug 2017 #19
Here's the core of the problem. pnwmom Aug 2017 #23
Dr. Cornel West says anti-fascist and anarchist protesters protected clergy from being "crushed like womanofthehills Aug 2017 #21
WashPo - good article on antifa womanofthehills Aug 2017 #22
Lecia Brooks (I believe that was her name) from SPLC was on Tweety's show this evening BumRushDaShow Aug 2017 #7
They are generally very nice people. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #12
As with any group, some are in it for the adrenalin rush and the thrills. Nitram Aug 2017 #14
I am certain they are right. Nitram Aug 2017 #13
Antifa stepped in between peaceful protestors Politicub Aug 2017 #15
It is incumbent for all true "work man" (aka Kung Fu master) to protect the innocent. JoeOtterbein Aug 2017 #16
Thank you for this, pnwmom. I needed to hear it. nt Hekate Aug 2017 #17
They came equipped with shields and batons because they knew BainsBane Aug 2017 #18
Thanks for posting this summer_in_TX Aug 2017 #20
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