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pnwmom

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86. Hillary was NOT a war monger.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 07:05 PM
Aug 2017

Obama shouldn't have criticized her for her IWR vote. Hillary voted for an IWR that was conditioned upon finding WMD's. We never found them but Bush went to war anyway.

She voted for the conditional IWR knowing that the Republicans were about to come into power in Congress; and that if the conditional IWR didn't pass, then they'd simply vote for a blank check IWR in January.

So it wasn't as if a vote against the IWR would have prevented Bush from going to war. He could simply have called for a another vote in January, when the Republicans had the majority.

With regard to the Patriot Acts 1 and 2, only 1 Senator voted against the 2001 Patriot Act, so it is ludicrous to claim that made Hillary a war mongerer. Only 10 voted against the re-authorization.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml

And with regard to Kyl-Lieberman, Obama abstained from the vote, he didn't oppose it. And John McCain, who you claim was a strong supporter, also abstained.

Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Barack Obama (D-IL) didn’t vote.

https://thinkprogress.org/breaking-lieberman-kyls-iran-amendment-passes-44ab3a7b1182/

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Aug 2017 #1
They're two different people. (nt) YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #2
The idiots who were so stupid as to vote for Stein help to elect trump Gothmog Aug 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #5
Dude, what are you actually talking about here? ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #7
Don't waste your time. Aristus Aug 2017 #9
Agreed Gothmog Aug 2017 #15
Yeap, still beating her like a dead horse........nt Heartstrings Aug 2017 #68
Hillarys fault that there was a rightwing propaganda and alt right progressive campaign AGAINST Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #10
Will anyone who didn't vote for her take responsibility? lunamagica Aug 2017 #11
This! mcar Aug 2017 #22
Would that be a rhetorical question? hay rick Aug 2017 #36
No they won't. They will keep harping about the Clintons forever. leftofcool Aug 2017 #51
Stein was part of the Russian operations to steal this election for trump Gothmog Aug 2017 #14
AFAIC, she can take responsibility for having won by over 3,000,000 votes in spite of voter suppress Hekate Aug 2017 #18
Yeah, you take that and.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #23
i don't know what you would have her do. barbtries Aug 2017 #25
Remember, these are the same idiots who gave us *, which lead to the Iraq invasion. They.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #41
Yep, they're the same brand of idjit who voted for Nader and gave us Bush. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #45
Stein supported Trump and said Hillary was a war monger. She was clearly there to draw progressive pnwmom Aug 2017 #26
That tweet pisses me off to no end. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #47
It is a metaphor. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #34
Profoundly said. BarbD Aug 2017 #82
+++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #100
Elections, particularly Presidential ones, are a zero sum game JHan Aug 2017 #84
It's turning out to be more of a regressive agenda. Truly sad. George II Aug 2017 #97
You're far too kind on them BainsBane Aug 2017 #98
Yes, but many of the votes for Stein did not go to the Democratic candidate so might as well... George II Aug 2017 #99
Was NK on the neo-con hitlist? ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #3
NK, Iraq and Iran made up Bush's Axis of Evil RandySF Aug 2017 #6
Here is what I was referring to ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #12
Glad you said it, I am not allowed. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #8
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for this, Randy! lunamagica Aug 2017 #13
And Stein was on Twitter yesterday asking people to call the WH to stop WW3 from happening nt maryellen99 Aug 2017 #16
Trump tweeted a warning about WWlll keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #28
Someone needs to retweet this exact tweet to Chump. nt July Aug 2017 #35
There really is a Trump tweet that addresses every Trump fuckup. nt SunSeeker Aug 2017 #49
He's Nostra-Dumb-Ass. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #75
LOL SunSeeker Aug 2017 #83
I told her off xmas74 Aug 2017 #77
Never said such a thing but what a condescending message Blue Ridge Virginia Aug 2017 #17
May I ask why you are taking the OP personally? Has someone been attacking you... Hekate Aug 2017 #19
What are you talking about? How does the OP polarize DU? pnwmom Aug 2017 #27
Whatever leftofcool Aug 2017 #52
I will never forgive what people, including purported leftists, mcar Aug 2017 #20
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #24
Did to all of us. Did to the entire world. yardwork Aug 2017 #29
Yes mcar Aug 2017 #30
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Aug 2017 #50
Life comes at you something something . . . Tactical Peek Aug 2017 #21
haha yup.... JHan Aug 2017 #85
Idiots, idiots, idiots, idiots, idiots. betsuni Aug 2017 #31
Dear God in Heaven! Can we PLEASE quit fighting last year's election? Stonepounder Aug 2017 #32
I totally agree DeeDeeNY Aug 2017 #42
We're fighting the next one nini Aug 2017 #46
This Hekate Aug 2017 #55
Probably won't work. progressoid Aug 2017 #80
What's with this winning them over crap I always see here. nini Aug 2017 #81
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #88
OFFS! They are using the same attacks on our current leaders! KitSileya Aug 2017 #70
Yes. Please! FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #74
This is video of Bill Clinton speaking about North Korea then Bladewire Aug 2017 #33
I would never say there is no difference between a Democrat and a Republic Martin Eden Aug 2017 #37
What they did then might be different xmas74 Aug 2017 #78
DU was full of Friday night quarterbacks in 2002 Martin Eden Aug 2017 #96
On the subject of North Korea shadowmayor Aug 2017 #38
What you said!!! Ford_Prefect Aug 2017 #40
Thank you for that informed post. yardwork Aug 2017 #44
Yet that BushAdmin sort of behavior RWers admire. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #65
Oh, and to change the topic a little bit not fooled Aug 2017 #39
He'll, Rs in Congress sent Iran a letter Cosmocat Aug 2017 #73
Oh those pesky little facts Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #43
Clinton obsession is embarrassing. that's all they got. spanone Aug 2017 #48
In the 2008 primaries Obama used Hillary Clinton's support for the Iraq war and the Kyl-Lieberman lutherj Aug 2017 #53
No, she isn't. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #56
The Salon article references a NY Times articles. There are similar pieces from Foriegn Affairs. lutherj Aug 2017 #59
In 2008 I didn't give a shit. I wanted a Democrat ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #63
If you didn't give a shit then you weren't paying attention. There's a reason Obama won. lutherj Aug 2017 #64
Really? I remember DU being split during xmas74 Aug 2017 #79
I remember thinking they were both great during that primary. pnwmom Aug 2017 #93
I liked them both xmas74 Aug 2017 #95
Her voting record has to be read in context. When 97 other Senators vote for the Patriot Act, pnwmom Aug 2017 #89
Horse pucky! Read something about this besdies Salon leftofcool Aug 2017 #57
Everything I cited is a matter of historical record. I watched her in the senate and as SoS. lutherj Aug 2017 #58
I checked all the facts and they don't support your claim that Hillary is a warmonger. pnwmom Aug 2017 #92
You are spectacularly misinformed then, lutherj. The "warmonger" meme is false... Hekate Aug 2017 #60
I simply cited Hillary's voting record in the Senate. Your lunch with a friend doesn't negate lutherj Aug 2017 #61
You did. Without context. Hekate Aug 2017 #62
Please provide the context then. I think it speaks for itself. The last 15 years of endless mindless lutherj Aug 2017 #67
She voted for an IWR that contained conditions. She knew that if that IWR wasn't approved, pnwmom Aug 2017 #90
No, you didn't. You twisted her record to pretend, among other things, that her voting pnwmom Aug 2017 #87
"Worse than Trump" wryter2000 Aug 2017 #69
Some people believed Trump NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #71
Then they weren't very observant wryter2000 Aug 2017 #72
Obama didn't call her a war monger. JI7 Aug 2017 #66
I had to LOL at the posts denying a historical record. KG Aug 2017 #76
Then you're fooling yourself. Her record had a context that the poster ignored. pnwmom Aug 2017 #94
Hillary was NOT a war monger. pnwmom Aug 2017 #86
Thank you so much! betsuni Aug 2017 #91
THE AXIS OF EVIL that the DEEP STATE thought was STUPID. pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #54
Straw man David__77 Aug 2017 #101
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