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48. A war hero is defined by an act of valor

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Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

Jul 2012

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Nazi war hero. Confederate war hero. [View all] Luminous Animal Jul 2012 OP

Not sure. But the answer is presumably the same as for "Is there a hero of the Iraq war?" redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #1

Unfortunately, I'd have to say no. With out a doubt there are Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #4

there is so long as there's a culture remaining that venerates said 'heroes'. i'd say there is in HiPointDem Jul 2012 #2

yup same as there are heroes in all winning and losing sides loli phabay Jul 2012 #3

Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #6

I acknowledge my family's slave holding past. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #11

Lee was commanding an army and was fighting for his state, same as generals like Rommel etc loli phabay Jul 2012 #12

I would think the Welsh would consider him a hero as well for fighting a common enemy. geardaddy Jul 2012 #69

Actually, Lee was offered command of the UNION army and turned it down. arbusto_baboso Jul 2012 #75

The Moors respected El Cid... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #114

yup same as lee was respected and rommel and others loli phabay Jul 2012 #119

But Lee did not command Union soldiers... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #135

I always thought Lee served in the federal army before taking command of the army of nova loli phabay Jul 2012 #144

You are right sarisataka Jul 2012 #145

as i thought, so hes kinda exactly like el cid in this regard, thanks loli phabay Jul 2012 #146

Oh for god's sake.... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #149

well both ultimately fought against their previous employer so the comparison is pretty good loli phabay Jul 2012 #152

We are sympatico at the first part of your statement, but not all the way through: freshwest Jul 2012 #90

You know Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #97

You know... I am a dissident now and I would have been a dissident then. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #112

Good for You Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #113

What an utterly idiotic comparison. aquart Jul 2012 #140

The reason why I asked is that even though the South lost, as a cultre.., Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #7

Where are their graves located? Zalatix Jul 2012 #8

I know. But why do you ask? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #13

he dosent have one, not sure why you ascribe to Lee being the same as hitler loli phabay Jul 2012 #14

Jefferson Davis = Hitler Zalatix Jul 2012 #17

probuably a better comparison but i would say magnitudes of difference. loli phabay Jul 2012 #19

Davis and Lee should have been destroyed, They should have been lead from Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #18

okay i guess its not a discussion you want rather some sort of wierd one upmanship loli phabay Jul 2012 #20

You'll get the hang of it Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #39

We do not do that in this country obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #56

I don't think that Lee committed suicide LanternWaste Jul 2012 #57

The KGB threw his ashes in a river hifiguy Jul 2012 #68

regardless of your thoughts on it, a large chunk of your fellow americans dont see it that way loli phabay Jul 2012 #10

No, Lee is not a Hitler figure. arbusto_baboso Jul 2012 #76

The very notion that loyalty to the US trumps loyalty to your state-- eridani Jul 2012 #115

question is where does loyalty lie. if you ar scots is it scotland or the UK loli phabay Jul 2012 #121

^^ This. Lee's loyalty was to Virginia, which *was* his country. gkhouston Jul 2012 #148

DU seriously needs a hyperbole jar. The servers would be platinum-plated in hours. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #123

So prove me wrong, smartass. arbusto_baboso Jul 2012 #132

... And a fallacy jar, to diamond-stud any peripherals. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #133

No, Lee was a Sophie's Choice figure. Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #134

not sure you are quite accurate with your description Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #126

It's kind of nice to consider what side you are fighting for... Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #15

no it makes no difference when it comes to heroics which comes down to individual deeds loli phabay Jul 2012 #16

Apparenty, some people had morals, because (you know) they fought for the other side, Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #30

Too bad their morals had nothing to do with ending slavery Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #40

Sorry, no one who fought to uphold slavery can EVER be a hero in my book. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #147

The North was certainly not fighting for "freedom" metalbot Jul 2012 #80

perfectly said- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #128

If the South ends up winning, there will be a great many Confederate War heroes. n/t dogknob Jul 2012 #5

Jefferson Davis is considered a hero where I live. Selatius Jul 2012 #9

Might as well have the nazi flag flying high...Jeesh, Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #27

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That's kind of an extreme position to take, don't you think? Selatius Jul 2012 #25

maybe he saved a bunch of guys or something. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #22

Who? Hitler or Lee? Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #23

Carson McCullers you know the guy who was the point of the original post. loli phabay Jul 2012 #24

Carson McCollers. A WOMAN. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #28

Carson McCullers is a women as well i think, who is McCollers? loli phabay Jul 2012 #29

Second cousins. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #32

Bravo witty answer :) loli phabay Jul 2012 #33

I meant Carson McCullers great grand father limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #26

i think its the deed thats heroic regardless of the uniform loli phabay Jul 2012 #31

So, then, were the terrorists that killed and maimed a bunch of us on 9/11 heroes also? Zorra Jul 2012 #53

I'm sure Pol Pot had his heroes/martyrs too. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #92

No Confusious Jul 2012 #101

Is there any such thing as a Confederate war hero? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #34

In the Trojan war, were there heroes on the Trojan side? tclambert Jul 2012 #35

It's not about "win or lose". It is about which side was morally correct. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #38

each side has heroes because in a war each side believes they are morally correct... dionysus Jul 2012 #47

regardless, there are objective standards. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #50

it's not saying the nazis were on the right side or anything. in a generic sense, if someone does dionysus Jul 2012 #88

I don't think that's true. Do you consider John Kerry a war hero? Marr Jul 2012 #73

Morally correct in war? That's an iffy proposition from the start. tclambert Jul 2012 #100

Yeah, but isn't that close to moral relativism? redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #154

There could be... SkyDaddy7 Jul 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #37

I would imagine that it's less because they furthered the cause Lawlbringer Jul 2012 #41

NO! If you were a Confederate you were a TRAITOR. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #42

8 guess it depends if you believe people have a right to fight against what they believe they dont w loli phabay Jul 2012 #151

It depends on your point of view slackmaster Jul 2012 #43

Can soldiers on the losing side fight with bravery and honor? Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #44

Neither soldiers on the winning or losing side can fight with honor - bravery maybe, but not honor 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #45

I believe that the young conscripts who landed on the Normandy beaches fought with honor. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #49

I beg to differ Spoonman Jul 2012 #51

As I've said before..... PavePusher Jul 2012 #142

There's no description of his "heroic" act(s) Spoonman Jul 2012 #46

A war hero is defined by an act of valor kctim Jul 2012 #48

so an act of valor within an unjust cause is heroic? redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #54

If a member of the Wehrmacht risked his life to save his fellow soldiers obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #58

Would you consider a German national holiday honoring Wehrmacht soldiers appropriate then? redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #61

Oh yes, I TOTALLY said that obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #117

The problem is that very few "acts of heroism" in warfare revolve around saving someone. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #153

Topic is "war" hero kctim Jul 2012 #60

Referring to the dictionary definition of heroic, yes. Marengo Jul 2012 #136

Yes Marrah_G Jul 2012 #52

Yes. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #55

Russell said it best: Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #59

+1 That's really good, thanks. Zorra Jul 2012 #66

Heroism is defined by actions Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #62

+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #93

Great Great Grandfather from NC Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #96

Sherman was hailed as a hero and liberator by many southern newspapers at the time. ieoeja Jul 2012 #156

My problem with Lee is that he considered himself a Virginian rather than as an American. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #63

You can't take modern concepts and superimpose COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #70

And that is why my great-great grandfather died. The Constitution was a document for Americans, libinnyandia Jul 2012 #74

What's your point? COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #94

My great-great grandfather fought as an American working to keep the United States united. Lee libinnyandia Jul 2012 #95

Well, seeing as it's now COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #116

This could go on. You don't know how my ancestor felt. I know he died to keep thiis country libinnyandia Jul 2012 #118

i think.everyone thinks of themselves as natives of a state loli phabay Jul 2012 #122

In the UK the people were at one time part of different countries. The ? I ask is:is it more libinnyandia Jul 2012 #130

If you don't think there is some serious regionalism in the UK... PavePusher Jul 2012 #143

You're completely missing COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #125

Why did people volunteer to go to war during the Civil war, not after? If they had not thoght of libinnyandia Jul 2012 #129

Because they followed their states, towns, family and friends to war, entire regiments were made up Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #131

They fought as Americans. Listening to the Battle Cry of Freedom. The Union Forever. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #137

The vast majority of those Americans followed the direction of their elected state governments. Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #138

Your perspective was settled by the Civil War. Posteritatis Jul 2012 #124

The same can be said for the majority of people from every other state, including the North. Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #79

Yes. Iggo Jul 2012 #64

What a great thread... The Midway Rebel Jul 2012 #65

Most of the soldiers in both cases were conscripts. Not heroes. Not villains. Lots of boys. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #67

You've got it. xmas74 Jul 2012 #104

Well, I'd go with German war hero 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #71

That's an interesting question. I'd have to say yes. Marr Jul 2012 #72

It's all a matter of perspective, I guess RZM Jul 2012 #77

Morality is easy with 20/20 hindsight. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #78

Yes they might be heroes for their own side. But I wouldn't honor them for it. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #81

As someone who was born and still living in the South I have no respect for the Confederacy. white_wolf Jul 2012 #82

One Confederate "Hero": Nathan Bedford Forrest, war criminal and founder of the KKK. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #83

Ironically even Forrest changed his views, he also disbanded the KKK in 1869 Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #84

+1 Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #86

Another one, General Wheeler, later fought in the Spanish-American War. Kaleva Jul 2012 #109

the never ending south bashing threads on DU cwydro Jul 2012 #85

"Confederacy" is to "South" what "Nazi Regime" is to "Germany" scheming daemons Jul 2012 #89

Yeah, that raised my eyebrow too. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #99

To one who considers himself a patriot to the US, "confederate war hero" is an oxymoron. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #91

This post seems to imply "Confederacy" and "South" are largely the same thing. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #98

Usually posts about an old war cwydro Jul 2012 #105

You assume too much. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #106

No, there is not me b zola Jul 2012 #87

Hero is a word our culture needs to dump FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #102

Why not? xmas74 Jul 2012 #103

Of course there were confederate heros. Marinedem Jul 2012 #107

There were "Indian Wars" heroes too Go Vols Jul 2012 #110

By law, Confederate veterans have equal status as any Union veteran Kaleva Jul 2012 #108

A question for those who answer "No".... Jim Lane Jul 2012 #111

Yes, there is a such a thing. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #120

As a practical matter, no to the former and yes to the latter Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #127

Yes. Now think hard how you define "hero." aquart Jul 2012 #139

A very interesting question(s) sarisataka Jul 2012 #141

Real heroes were those Union generals (and regular soldiers) who went raccoon Jul 2012 #150

Consider CSA Sergeant Richard Rowland Kirkland, known as "The Angel of Marye's Heights" VOX Jul 2012 #155