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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
37. Thanks.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jul 2017

That makes more sense.

I don't think I was off the mark, though. You see, the current round of neoliberalism was ushered into the Democratic Party by Clinton and the DLC. It used to be fashionable here to criticize the DLC, but NOT the Clintons. In '08, DU stopped being "underground," and stopped describing itself as "left-wing," (used to be in the "about DU" text), and the newer members flooding in were more "centrist," and proud of it. I put that in quotes because it's a code word for neoliberalism. I don't know that many even knew that; they bought into the "pragmatic" characterization and other propaganda that surrounded it. The left, here, was thrown under the bus. And just like the DLC, which, yes, I know is defunct, replaced by the "New Democrats" and the "Third Way," which are both simply a continuation...anyway, just like the DLC appropriated terms like "liberal" and "progressive," the term "left" on DU began to evolve into something else.

There was a time, while we were being thrown under the bus by "centrist" DUers, that we were actually referred to as the "loony left." Just Like right wingers did. Then the "centrists" slowly began to adopt it for themselves, even if it wasn't really accurate. You see, that divorce between economic justice and social justice was in play.

What I, and a whole nation of what passes for the actual left in the United States (which isn't really all that "left," globally speaking,) have seen out in the world is that the neo-liberal establishment, who turned their backs on the wave of energy for change, and thus, in some of our views, lost the White House by nominating a "centrist," is now working avidly to retain what power they have left, and part of that involves attacking the term "neoliberal," and especially denying it. Out there, and right here.

I know that the majority of DU these days energetically disagrees with that assessment, and that this post right here is going to be subject to many vicious attacks. That doesn't negate my, and others', view or make it any less real. From the left, in my view, there's very little resembling "left" on DU in 2017. That's why I don't spend that much time here anymore. It's increasingly irrelevant.

Again, in my view, I think our party ought to be moving left. That's not an attack. It's not against DU's TOS to say that I want the party to abandon neoliberalism and move left. And that's really what this is about. The party is divided, fractured, and the party of the future depends on which side of that divide either evolves toward the other or away from the party.

Meanwhile, I'm spending the majority of my political time and energy out with people in the real world, with activists around my state, instead of at the keyboard.

I'm sorry if people who aren't really neoliberal centrists have been called neoliberal. That doesn't detract from the reality that the party establishment IS a neoliberal establishment. It could be that those who don't like having that label flung at them might want to work harder at cleansing the party of neoliberalism from the inside out instead of building a defensive wall around it to keep potential allies on the other side.

I've got work to do, and places to go. I'll be back eventually, and if anyone has anything thoughtful, rather than hateful, to say, I'll respond.

The term "neoliberal" has been basterdized to the point of no return. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1
If you use the term "neoliberal", IMO you've lost the argument. LisaM Jul 2017 #2
I disagree. It means a LOT, but it can be summed up.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #3
Yes. LWolf Jul 2017 #8
Folks used the term "neo-liberal" on DU'ers who are adamantly against trickle-down and privatization emulatorloo Jul 2017 #10
The manipulating LWolf Jul 2017 #12
I've beem called neoliberal... Adrahil Jul 2017 #13
No I am saying progressives and left-liberals at DU were called 'neo-liberals' emulatorloo Jul 2017 #14
Thanks. LWolf Jul 2017 #37
Dunno if you were here in 2016, but it was self-described 'progressives' pushing the false divide emulatorloo Jul 2017 #39
I've been here since '02. LWolf Jul 2017 #43
"I'm spending the majority of my political time in the real world" suggested to me you maybe emulatorloo Jul 2017 #44
No. LWolf Jul 2017 #45
Thanks for a dose of reality. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2017 #17
Excellent post. Thank you. nt Doremus Jul 2017 #21
Good explanation. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #28
I think the reality is that LWolf Jul 2017 #38
then it doesn't apply to anyone to the left of Paul Ryan, and it's very puzzling why it geek tragedy Jul 2017 #16
Obama and Clinton both bought into the neo-liberal mindset......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #19
However... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #25
The PROC is NOT a model for Marxism........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #35
Is there any functioning model left? Was there ever any? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Jul 2017 #31
Obama managed to be a Socialist Alinskyite geek tragedy Jul 2017 #33
I've never seen a real, card-carrying, dues paying socialist.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #34
He was also a Muslim who had a Crazy Christian preacher at his church! emulatorloo Jul 2017 #40
+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #30
Well, since I'veh heard it applied to me and to other HRC voters... LisaM Jul 2017 #11
Not a meaningless label at all. You can pretend that it is but that's a surprising behavior Doremus Jul 2017 #23
Meaningless in that it has been misapplied one too many times in 2016 emulatorloo Jul 2017 #41
Totally. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26
With Thomas Friedman, it's kind of deserved. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2017 #5
In my experience, people who use the term "neo-liberal" don't actually know what it means. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #6
Yep Means in favor of trickle down economics and privatization. To people who use it, means emulatorloo Jul 2017 #9
I always think Libertarians ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #7
one of those words that mean whatever the person using it want it to mean, e.g. "corporatist" geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15
Slapping a stupid label on everything and everyone to discredit them is the height of intellectual Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #18
If "neoliberal" means fiscal conservative, social liberal, and pro free trade taught_me_patience Jul 2017 #20
What's a "fiscal conservative" and how does it jive with Democratic principles? nt Doremus Jul 2017 #24
A counter to the GOP principle of running up huge deficits while cutting taxes on rich people emulatorloo Jul 2017 #42
When I read neoliberal definition Dem2 Jul 2017 #22
I find those that use the term neoliberal Eko Jul 2017 #27
Neolution is the real danger tirebiter Jul 2017 #29
Neoliberal replaced Third Way as the popular mindless go-to insult 'cause it has more syllables betsuni Jul 2017 #32
Ms. Peyser put out a call to the wrong people. LWolf Jul 2017 #46
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