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Steven Maurer

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64. There is a massive reason

Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:07 PM

Jun 2017

Hacking email is inherently insecure and exponentially easier to get hold of than hacking a back end logistics database. All that the former requires is someone using the system who is naive concerning clicking on links, and you can easily get all their email. The latter requires breaking the fundamental security of the system, which is extremely hard to do under normal circumstances.

And systems are constantly being "probed for weaknesses". That's what threat actors do. They typically don't get very far.

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Remember when Hillary's info in the DNC database was breached, and some of Bernie's people [View all] pnwmom Jun 2017 OP

Almost a sure thing that the Russians did that too world wide wally Jun 2017 #1

Then why would Bernie fire people over this? R B Garr Jun 2017 #2

Bernie found some fault in how they handled the situation when they discoverd it. Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #4

Wait, the staffers were appreciative of being fired for something they R B Garr Jun 2017 #7

That's an impressive twisting of words Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #16

Ah, okay. The "falling on the sword" looked worded as an act of R B Garr Jun 2017 #23

Sure, and thanks for clarifying yourself what seemed off to you. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #42

Yeah, making it an act of valor or honor to get fired seems like a stretch, R B Garr Jun 2017 #43

I just meant doing the right thing (as in accepting the consequeces for actions) Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #44

Where is the slur on you? All I see is you now calling me a "Bernie detractor", R B Garr Jun 2017 #45

Sincere answer below Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #47

.... R B Garr Jun 2017 #50

They should have reported the breach to the systems administrators, and they shouldn't have pnwmom Jun 2017 #13

Because they should have immediately reported it and not saved Hillarys info to their own files. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #8

Yes, I remember that explanation. nt R B Garr Jun 2017 #10

Because... revmclaren Jun 2017 #19

Ooo, ooo, me me me... Yes, it is still stealing. fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #22

Some might say "optics". George II Jun 2017 #21

Good point. The Russian hacking was known about then... nt R B Garr Jun 2017 #29

Survey says "Tad Devine" n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #40

What if Uretsky was given direction in finding the vulnerability? NCTraveler Jun 2017 #24

Yes! I saw your post and was just reading that link. That looks like a most plausible R B Garr Jun 2017 #25

Why would Bernie initiate a lawsuit over this? murielm99 Jun 2017 #28

+1, Yeah, a very good question. R B Garr Jun 2017 #32

As a redirection Bradical79 Jun 2017 #58

At that point, no one knew about the Russians karynnj Jun 2017 #31

I don't understand your point? Bradical79 Jun 2017 #57

I remember this incident Gothmog Jun 2017 #3

Thank you pnwmom Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #5

You're welcome. pnwmom Jun 2017 #15

Yes. I remember. That was really fucked up. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #6

I remember this. nt sheshe2 Jun 2017 #9

Can we hold Sander's campaign and the Russians to the same standard, though? yallerdawg Jun 2017 #11

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #12

Wrong. The systems administrator (a private company, not the DNC itself) pnwmom Jun 2017 #14

I wouldn't be so sure that Josh Uretsky isn't being looked at by the FBI. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #17

There's no way for any of us to know that. But if Mueller's investigation is allowed to pnwmom Jun 2017 #18

+1 nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #20

K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #26

I remember that all too well NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #27

Time to unite to fight in 2018 and 2020 left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #30

Well luring lefties into helping destroy HRC was part of the plan all along, so it's likely. bettyellen Jun 2017 #33

Yes. That makes a lot of sense to me. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #35

I had noticed lefty friends sharing stuff that was from Breitbart or RT and said WTf? bettyellen Jun 2017 #38

Same here. A friend I had worked with opposing BushCheney... Hekate Jun 2017 #41

I remember this very well. Thanks Pnwmom lunamagica Jun 2017 #34

When will we learn? When will we learn? Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #36

No. The NGP VAN was undergoing maintenance Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #37

Way too late! yallerdawg Jun 2017 #39

Guccifer bragged in tweets about how he had broken into the NGP VAN DNC system pnwmom Jun 2017 #48

You're confusing the VAN with the DNC email server Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #53

NGP VAN maintained the DNC email server and the voter database. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #54

Yes, and the metro maintains both busses and trains. They're still vastly different. Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #60

So? There's no reason to think that Guccifer/Russia wasn't capable of hacking both, and they pnwmom Jun 2017 #62

There is a massive reason Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #64

Yes, I'd forgotten that Bradical79 Jun 2017 #59

Only one aspect of data security is a firewall. There were gross incompetencies afoot. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #46

And Guccifer would have noticed all these issues when he was messing with the DNC system, pnwmom Jun 2017 #49

No data center secures by firewall alone, which is why I call bullshit to the SBS guy's access. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #51

Firewall is a misnomer in this case anyway. It wasn't a firewall that was breached. stevenleser Jun 2017 #55

No account I came across mentioned that database security was compromised. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #56

Thats because the people writing the articles dont know any better. stevenleser Jun 2017 #61

Your using a premise that Biblical Inerrantists use: If it's not detailed, invent a backstory. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #63

Nope, I am using solid knowledge gained from 20+ years in IT stevenleser Jun 2017 #65

And I'm using 30 years. And I base my decisions off of facts, not conjecture. Conjecture...Down Time TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #66

Then you should know better. This is clearly not a firewall issue. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #67

I know what I've read at Computerworld and a few other sites, and they should know what's what. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #68

Again, a firewall controls access to a network. The campaigns all had access to the network and the stevenleser Jun 2017 #69

KICK Cha Jun 2017 #52