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Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
34. Concern trolling is one technique. Pairwise scuffling is another. Propagating fake new too.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jun 2017

Look for DU members with high post rates after joining in 2016 from June leading up to the election and joining after Trump's Inauguration. Caution: most members with such characteristics are good solid Democrats / progressives / liberals. We can be suspicious, but it takes a lot to make a case to pass MIRT scrutiny.

Concern trolling is where a member / bot / tweeter / FBer will say something like "I worry that Pelosi is ineffective after four losses in a row. Republicans like having her around to kick around." (Again, caution, well-meaning members might sincerely make a statement like that.)

Pairwise scuffling is where two bots gin up an argument in an effort to draw in other members and drive wedges between them. It is divisive and destablizing and it uses up time and energy members / tweeters / FBers could use to get real news out and organize resistance.

Propagating fake news (in many guises some not so obvious) uses up members time and energy knocking it down and arguing about it.

There are undoubtedly many other techniques. It would be interesting to see a compendium of them. Here's an ancient one I bookmarked from 2002: http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Finding some:
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll-tactics.html
https://www.google.ca/search?q=recognizing+trolls


K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #1
Thank you. MineralMan Jun 2017 #2
K to the R musette_sf Jun 2017 #3
Thank you so much! MineralMan Jun 2017 #4
You have got to be more specific. We all don't keep up 100% of the time. Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #5
There are several strategies. MineralMan Jun 2017 #7
Thanks for this. Wondered what the hell was going on with trying Enoki33 Jun 2017 #55
Some of us need reminders if we are not paying that much attention at a particular time Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #87
How about Michael Moore who seems to have his finger on the pulse of middle America? SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2017 #99
Another veteran - Pete Buttigieg - is on Seth Meyers now. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2017 #112
+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #113
Concern trolling is one technique. Pairwise scuffling is another. Propagating fake new too. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #34
My worry about Pelosi, and Sanders, and Hillary and Biden question everything Jun 2017 #37
I think you accidentally replied in the wrong thread. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #42
Sorry about that. Will repost (nt) question everything Jun 2017 #83
John Ossoff did increadibly well as EarlG showed with his photo. That bright red state Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #96
He didn't lose.The votes were stolen. onit2day Jun 2017 #103
Thanks for adding this in. Iplayoneontv Jun 2017 #110
If you don't see "young blood" coming up, you're not paying attention. Schiff, the Castros... Hekate Jun 2017 #105
I just had a post hidden because I bitched at someone who looked like a troll. Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #86
Robotic arguments. I see people who will push some inane Alice11111 Jun 2017 #91
What makes Cenk not a progressive? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Jun 2017 #60
Good post LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #82
Thank you, and agreed regarding your excellent post. :) Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #100
Thank you. We need all the help we can get. klook Jun 2017 #114
Could Cenk not be a progressive who hates the Democratic Party ? There are a few around like that. OnDoutside Jun 2017 #88
Sage advice, my friend... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #6
It's simply based on observation. MineralMan Jun 2017 #13
And sometimes "all sides" includes the "inside" as well. Beartracks Jun 2017 #26
I'm not happy with Pelosi. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #49
I have no idea. You call yourself an "Anarchist." MineralMan Jun 2017 #51
Anarchist philosophy is quite diverse. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #54
Yes to your word 'pragmatic'. I'm glad you expanded your dialogue and explained your screename. sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #66
Thank you and peace unto you! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #74
Thank you, MinMan, thank you for explaining this issue yet again... Hekate Jun 2017 #106
You are so right. Sticking to what we've been doing so far is an excellent idea. WoonTars Jun 2017 #8
The same people I'm talking about are why we have Trump MineralMan Jun 2017 #11
So let's stick to the plan! WoonTars Jun 2017 #29
Yep, that "winning" strategy! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #50
Hay now! I was kind to youuu! eom sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #69
I was agreeing with you! :) Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #75
I musta took it wrong. Apologies. sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #81
Sounds good to me! Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #80
So you obviously think DUers include people who supported/voted for Trump KPN Jun 2017 #115
There is no way to know that. MineralMan Jun 2017 #116
Well, what you just said satill sounds like the things McCarthy was saying. KPN Jun 2017 #119
Oddly enough, nowhere in my original post did I call MineralMan Jun 2017 #120
McCarthy started with generalities. KPN Jun 2017 #121
OK, so you think I'm like Joe McCarthy. MineralMan Jun 2017 #125
No they wouldn't post it here, they'd get banned. But 2 who are here posted on JPR that they seaglass Jun 2017 #122
K & R JHan Jun 2017 #9
Thank you for recognizing the pretenders. MineralMan Jun 2017 #14
They are not pretending to be 'progressives' or 'liberals'... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #10
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. MineralMan Jun 2017 #12
Wrong -- Dems are progressives and liberals obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #17
In any binary election, I vote for the Democrat. MineralMan Jun 2017 #22
I believe you misinterpreted my post... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #31
No. You are the one who misunderstood my post. MineralMan Jun 2017 #38
Your thread would have been more accurate to read... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #44
You know, I think I'll write my own posts my own way. MineralMan Jun 2017 #47
Don't be so defensive.. MM posted what they are doing.. Cha Jun 2017 #108
which is why the attacks on Pelosi raise concerns. BainsBane Jun 2017 #124
Notice this Berniecrat is staying the hell outta this one lol nt retrowire Jun 2017 #15
I notice. Thanks! MineralMan Jun 2017 #19
Yeah I have this skill retrowire Jun 2017 #24
I wish I had that skill. nt defacto7 Jun 2017 #98
Hay. A cute fellow came to our third floor apt. where we were living just before the primaries. sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #58
personally I am a Democrat. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #63
Me too....? Nt retrowire Jun 2017 #73
I just hate the term Berniecrat...so many use it instead of Democrat...I know you are a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #76
It's not an allegiance so much as an alignment retrowire Jun 2017 #77
I don't get that...not criticizing please understand my point. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #79
This, yellow dog is your alignment retrowire Jun 2017 #85
Bernie's platform is a Democratic platform ... and I thought you would get the yellow Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #93
As soon as someone rails against Pelosi, I know they are a wingnut obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #16
A number of people who supported Sanders turned against MineralMan Jun 2017 #20
Yup, agree obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #23
It is a bad, bad time. MineralMan Jun 2017 #27
MinMan... Hekate Jun 2017 #107
Roger that safeinOhio Jun 2017 #33
Maybe the leaders should have some town halls ... ananda Jun 2017 #18
Exactly what I would like and would like to send. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #53
K&R nt. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #21
I have to agree. Caliman73 Jun 2017 #25
Exactly Mineral Man! We need to be vigilant...they are all over the place. Dream Girl Jun 2017 #28
To say the fate of the world depends on this exact thing is not docgee Jun 2017 #30
If it smells like borscht it's probably borscht. byronius Jun 2017 #32
well put. nt BainsBane Jun 2017 #123
Is this a veiled attempt at attacking posters whose views are different from yours? Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #35
Your post needs to be more visible. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #56
This is a broad brush generalization. In that regard ... KPN Jun 2017 #36
It's dangerous. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #57
It's meant to be melman Jun 2017 #70
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #72
K&R mcar Jun 2017 #39
When the Alt-right and Alt-left go to war Democrats will hold the center SecularMotion Jun 2017 #40
I am truly embarrassed orangecrush Jun 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Jun 2017 #43
To answer your question, here's a link: MineralMan Jun 2017 #45
Thank you. Incisive as usual... RoBear Jun 2017 #46
You wrote a 'mouthful'! sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #52
Stay alert. Stay awake. Stay the course and work for victory, not defeat. That's my advice. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #59
K&R bdamomma Jun 2017 #61
We have them here...I see them post GOP friendly crap all the time. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #62
The Karl Rove Strategy... Left-over Jun 2017 #64
kicking this thread bdamomma Jun 2017 #65
Thanks for the kick! MineralMan Jun 2017 #67
That's exactly what the assholes over at Jackpine Radicals seem to want. mreilly Jun 2017 #68
I haven't read anything over there since the election. MineralMan Jun 2017 #71
I may be misinterpreting your point... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #78
... orangecrush Jun 2017 #84
If there are enough of them out there who think DU was worth attacking and shutting down DFW Jun 2017 #109
Excellent point, DFW! Cha Jun 2017 #111
Good advice but ... broadcaster90210 Jun 2017 #89
For example a large number of posters on JPR are trump and Putin supporters Gothmog Jun 2017 #90
Huge Kick! Heartstrings Jun 2017 #92
Good advice. XRubicon Jun 2017 #94
YES!!! nikibatts Jun 2017 #95
Thank you, everyone, for the replies and recs. MineralMan Jun 2017 #97
I don't think it's the "left" that's destroying this system of government. David__77 Jun 2017 #101
Above all, we must place wealthy to upper middle class Democrats well being. We must not brewens Jun 2017 #102
We had a swarm fly in thru the windows at DU yesterday, too Hekate Jun 2017 #104
Great advice. Never doubt it, folks: We are under attack right now. (nt) Paladin Jun 2017 #117
Absolutely. MineralMan Jun 2017 #118
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