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Bernardo de La Paz

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17. Yes, it is a major social change that can be & MUST be anticipated & PLANNED for.

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:01 PM

Apr 2017

Wealth and income inequality is a huge problem already, and it will get worse before it gets better.

The coming changes of robots and AI (sometimes AI on its own) will make huge changes in society whether we are ready or not. They are coming and pandering to coal miners in Pennsylvania is not going to stop it.

We should be ready and we can be ready.

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Student worker in Chinese iPhone factory explains why manufacturing jobs aren't coming back to to US [View all] workinclasszero Apr 2017 OP

Eventually all manufacturing will move to Africa in the quest for slave like labor rates HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #1

Free trade has always been a race to the bottom IMO workinclasszero Apr 2017 #4

precisely; there is absolutely no other outcome for free trade. it is not "good for everybody." nt TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #37

No. Binary thinking. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #8

Build it and they will come HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #10

Robots don't eat burgers Xipe Totec Apr 2017 #11

Yes, it is a major social change that can be & MUST be anticipated & PLANNED for. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #17

Hard to visualize a society where capital and labor are meaningless concepts. Xipe Totec Apr 2017 #22

Hard, because they will never be meaningless and never should be meaningless. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #26

... Xipe Totec May 2017 #42

Universal Basic Income does not make capital or labor "meaningless". . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #43

How does labor remain meaningful when there is none? nt Xipe Totec May 2017 #44

There will always be labor & capital. To believe otherwise is to believe in a ridiculous fantasy. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #45

what a thought terminating clich nt Xipe Totec May 2017 #46

Actually, the all-or-nothing belief in it becoming meaningless is where your thought terminated. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #47

That's why China is spending billions to develop infrastructure in Africa. Yavin4 Apr 2017 #20

Why do you think... Adrahil Apr 2017 #31

And it does not just apply to manufacturing HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #2

There is already dental and medical tourism workinclasszero Apr 2017 #12

Even if they come here and use automated assembly lines Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #3

Until those high paid skilled Americans train their low paid no benefits H-1B replacements workinclasszero Apr 2017 #5

They'll make the job requirements so impossible onlyadream Apr 2017 #6

This is the fundamental and unavoidable goal of capitalism (nt) Orrex Apr 2017 #7

Yes not fooled Apr 2017 #9

And yet...every working class voting republican... workinclasszero Apr 2017 #14

Yes, they imagine that the "darkie" will take their honest, hard-earned American billions Orrex Apr 2017 #18

Right workinclasszero Apr 2017 #19

this is why we need fair trade/tariffs Mosby Apr 2017 #13

correct; there is no way around it. nt TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #38

Robots will replace workers but they will also be cheaper to maintain in other countries. Kablooie Apr 2017 #15

Hell there's already countries willing to work for less than the Chinese workinclasszero Apr 2017 #16

Taxes dogandturtlemom Apr 2017 #21

Yeah I wonder what the markup on an iphone is? workinclasszero Apr 2017 #23

Right now Apple's net profit is 21% Mosby Apr 2017 #36

Its more like 210 billion. BSdetect Apr 2017 #40

The demand side of global trade always gets overlooked. Yavin4 Apr 2017 #24

Well if that's true then there is no hope for liberal democracy in America workinclasszero Apr 2017 #25

Look to Germany for the answer Yavin4 Apr 2017 #28

even that won't matter unless there is some kind of wage control; even the "good jobs" will pay TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #39

50 years ago there was no Made in Mexico HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #27

Manufacturing is not in decline in America. Yavin4 Apr 2017 #30

That is what is meant by decline HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #34

I work in a manufacturing facility. tammywammy Apr 2017 #41

This is why the CEO's of Verison and T Mobile make 25 Million together!!! Maraya1969 Apr 2017 #29

Employers don't care. Initech Apr 2017 #32

UNION FACTORY JOBS FROM THE POST WAR ERA TO THE 1980s ARE NOT COMING BACK!!! Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #33

The people who worked those jobs hated them Buckeyeblue Apr 2017 #35