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In reply to the discussion: The Myth of Male Power - Warren Farrell [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)164. It makes no sense ...
because you don't want to have it make sense.
"actively working to subjugate women" this is true, I will give you that - but those men don't represent every single male alive today just as women like Sarah Palin or Elizabeth Bathory represent every woman alive today.
Please note I gave three scenarios of how "Males are the problem"; the first of which, albeit a relatively small portion of the male population, are those that actively subjugate women. These are the ones that are sexist and/or woman-haters.
"passively enjoying the male hegemony that subjugates women" This is something I don't understand; EVERYONE talks about how men have this "privilege " that makes them superior to women; I don't see it. I can understand it existing for those in the upper class, but I struggle just as hard as my female friends and family do. I don't see inequality here - I see the poor getting poorer, men and women alike.
Please don't mistake your struggling with the struggles of others. Has it occurred to you that you struggle DESPITE being a male; whereas, your female friends and family struggle BECAUSE they are female. An example of male priviledge is never having to be concerned that what you say or how you act, will be held against you because "women just don't act that way."
"denying that male hegemony exists" It might have existed in the past, but it seems to be greatly diminished today; in fact, I see women everywhere - female-only scholarships, female-only awards, female-only positions of power; if there is some kind of male hegemony or secret plan to subjugate women, I must have forgotten the handshake because I'm not part of it.
YOU ARE DOING JUST THAT WHICH YOU CLAIM TO BE IN THE PAST! Sorry about the yelling; but you have got to see that saying that you don't see inequality in a world where males hold all (most of) the real power, because both you and some females that you know are struggling, is a denial that a male hegemony exists.
Saying "we believe in equality" and then "Men are the problem all of them no exceptions you're all privileged nah nyah nyah nyah nyah" doesn't really endear the feminist movement to men who aren't assholes.
I am certain that you have heard the expression, if you are not a part of the solution; you are part of the problem. IMHO, and from my life's experience, the solution starts with honest, non-defensive, reflection. This will help you to understand that personalizing the criticism (in this case, male hegemony) is standing in your way to understanding.
Once this is accomplished, you might arrive at an understanding that the "men who aren't a$$holes"; but deny that male priviledge exists, in the face of all evidence, are the foundation of male hegemony. And those not working to end male priviledge are much like the white people during jim crow that sat back and allowed a system that subugated Black folks. They may not have been the ones beating Black folk and dragging them off the buses or blocking the school house steps; but they are just as responsible for the system that allows others to do so.
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if you are in favor of equality, do MRA's ever argue on the side of a woman, ever?
CreekDog
Jul 2012
#23
I think you're going to have a bit tougher job if you want to try to impeach Warren Farrell
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#42
you're asking me to post his defenses of incest? Heck no. You can put that crap under your name
CreekDog
Jul 2012
#93
Why are you afraid to post a quote? You're aware that people won't attribute the quote to you,
EOTE
Jul 2012
#150
Really? "Interesting" instead of bigoted or flawed or... (something more accurate) nt
riderinthestorm
Jul 2012
#41
I have never seen an anti-male post in this forum. 2nd...that book premise is hogwash. nt
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#3
Much as people should never expect one member of a religious faith to explain...?
LanternWaste
Jul 2012
#137
He was on the Board for the New York chapter of NOW, which is not the National Board.
Starry Messenger
Jul 2012
#54
Commenting as a child on their father is just like being a racist. Ok.
Starry Messenger
Jul 2012
#25
i put up a thread in HOF honoring fathers. i had a good father i value very much and tell
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#73
Uhm, its a fucking greeting card holiday ginned up for more of your dollars
riderinthestorm
Jul 2012
#29
"couldn't' get a scholarship for any college because most of them were reserved for women.
Sans__Culottes
Jul 2012
#241
Since women now outnumber men handily in highschool/college graduation rates
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#249
That long post was completely and entirely nonresponsive to my very simple question.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2012
#291
Well, to be honest, I was voter #1, and If I knew then what I know now, I would have voted to hide
stevenleser
Jul 2012
#21
Wow I guess I learned something as well. Excuse me while I delete my post...
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2012
#26
I am surprised that you didn't find the content of the OP objectionable in and of itself.
demmiblue
Jul 2012
#32
I find MANY opinions to be objectionable. That doesn't mean I want them banned or hidden.
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2012
#40
No, I don't want posts hidden that discuss alternate points of view. However...
demmiblue
Jul 2012
#55
Probably because the alerter posted a link filled with garbage that had zero to do with the author
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#99
"violent reactions to ideas of incest . . . . I think those reactions are cultural"
Lex
Jul 2012
#34
little did you know you would get the opportunity to argue with Mr. Farrell himself
CreekDog
Jul 2012
#94
Dokkie just stated that he didn't agree with them, but then in his own words...
CreekDog
Jul 2012
#90
So how did he get away with teaching psychology at the UC School of Medicine?
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#106
I remember when the Thinkpol was trying to claim Kinsey was trying to promote homosexuality
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#213
Except most men don't consider themselves "predators" or women as "prey"
unreadierLizard
Jul 2012
#75
I won't waste my broadband time on something like 10 minutes of lies by a liar
BlueToTheBone
Jul 2012
#104
Nothing in any of the negative posts here suggests that they listened to the clip. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2012
#122
Yes, It was. I sure wish I could just take off white privilege like a sweater when it gets warmer
eridani
Jul 2012
#237
*sigh*...The poop pit grows ever deeper. If you want to feel guilty about something, that's your
Zorra
Jul 2012
#301
There's this funny dynamic between that which has been given artificial ascendence & authenticity.
patrice
Jul 2012
#133
The title alone is enough to discredit this OP. The "men's rights activist" seal the condemnation.
morningfog
Jul 2012
#202
The title of this thread refers to his pro-rape screed of the same title.
geek tragedy
Jul 2012
#227
"We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting
morningfog
Jul 2012
#206
"claiming that if women are just paid a little bit less than men, that's ok."
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#248
And yet this greater unemployment shouldn't factor into wage gap discussions?
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2012
#296
Sorry to disappoint, but namecalling and false allegations have no effect on me
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#268
"The "no means no" meme is bullshit. The fact is that no sometimes means yes."
morningfog
Jul 2012
#275
I am familiar with Warren Farrell. Angry white male throwing a tantrum. See: Scott Adams, Dave Sim
Taverner
Jul 2012
#269
Sorry, but when an author feels compelled to put "PhD" on the cover of his book
malthaussen
Jul 2012
#284