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In reply to the discussion: The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump. The path to hell was paved by [View all]pat_k
(9,313 posts)402. So, free the leaders of the burden of leading?
Poor things might get tired or something?
Of COURSE we have to keep pushing them! But political will doesn't just come from the bottom up. It requires feedback from the top down too.
Universal Health Care is something that MUST be front and center for the party if they ever want to start winning again:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8773578
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The OP is Wrong.. Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton Gave us trump
Cha
Mar 2017
#111
I stand by the article.. "Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton "
Cha
Mar 2017
#119
And here is another level truly salient in the 2016 election results -- "Nobody won..."
Samantha
Mar 2017
#193
You are missing the fact that both Stein and Johnson votes increase exponentially since 2008/2012.
boston bean
Mar 2017
#244
Well lets see, in Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Stein received 1.1% of the vote
still_one
Mar 2017
#139
"Noam Chomsky made that very clear that those "Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton
Cha
Mar 2017
#152
Of course the responsibility with what we will be going through the next 4 years lies
still_one
Mar 2017
#314
I don't disagree - the elephant in the room is that a hostile foreign power
PatrickforO
Mar 2017
#329
As I said those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary by either voting third
still_one
Mar 2017
#187
I understand your point. You may not be aware, but we lost a good number of folks here who said
still_one
Mar 2017
#246
I posting the article in response to the first sentence of the OP.. there are other
Cha
Mar 2017
#163
How curious that you're beating up the female candidate, when Gary Johnson (L)...
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#282
It does seem lately that there is an effort to shut down (or shout out) progressives in here.
LiberalLovinLug
Mar 2017
#315
The "angry, bitter minority" had vastly different positions at one time. VASTLY.
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#323
Show me anywhere where ANY of "these same folks" have EVER shown ANY tendency to support cuts to
Squinch
Mar 2017
#480
You call exposing "beating up".. "How Jill Stein and Donald Trump became allies of Vladimir Putin"
Cha
Mar 2017
#347
Your list in your post "It is not a left/moderate/right "divide." isn't complete...
George II
Mar 2017
#455
I stand with Democrats even when they are idiots because I KNOW they are capable of better.
pat_k
Mar 2017
#463
Bashing the crap out of them for things that happened more than a decade and a half ago...
George II
Mar 2017
#464
Naw you keep thinking about past fevers from long ago and keep misconstruing my point..
JHan
Mar 2017
#158
Here is a thread I recently started about Iran-Contra and its relation to what is happening today.
StevieM
Mar 2017
#186
And secondly, your accusations that Democrats have not made the moral case for issues...
JHan
Mar 2017
#200
if you want to whip the democratic party over some shit over 3 decades ago here.. hell..
JHan
Mar 2017
#145
Newsflash: It *ain't* all about you... things are CRITICAL right now for all ages.
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#148
You two are both blind to why trying to fight Trump with Democratic politicians
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#270
Funny how the folks with the least wins think they have all the answers on winning
bravenak
Mar 2017
#271
Funny how the folks that keep losing...House,....Senate.....SCOTUS......State governorships...
LiberalLovinLug
Mar 2017
#289
Excellent, JH.. and Just to be Clear about the "extreme left".. "not" giving us trump as the OP ..
Cha
Mar 2017
#97
The point is to get more of us to run locally to get in. Not forcing ones already in to vote no.
haele
Mar 2017
#325
My only point is that absent clarity and sufficient consensus on basic principles, there...
pat_k
Mar 2017
#486
Me too. I'm at the point of simply ignoring them and not giving them traction anymore
bravenak
Mar 2017
#86
you could say the same for people who want to spend their energy taking it to the "far left." Which
JCanete
Mar 2017
#214
I wouldn't say it. We are fighting republicans constantly while they simply fight us
bravenak
Mar 2017
#291
that isn't true of this poster, and he's listed that over and over. It isn't true that nobody is
JCanete
Mar 2017
#298
All you have are insults.."The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump" stein owns a Chunk of it..
Cha
Mar 2017
#60
I want to hear ideas from people who know how to win and know who the enemy is.
bravenak
Mar 2017
#55
And how has kicking Dems in the ass been a winner? It hasn't. The far left as not racked up
bravenak
Mar 2017
#100
Maybe I am just old enough to remember when Democrats didn't buy into Reaganomics.
Gore1FL
Mar 2017
#107
Takeoff on that old Broadway hit: "A funny thing happened on the way to Democratic Underground".
George II
Mar 2017
#33
If you dont know... That's too bad, cause I don't have time to repeat myself all day.
bravenak
Mar 2017
#269
I've commented several times, only once here, about my disappointment that single
notdarkyet
Mar 2017
#48
The public option was killed because of Joe Lieberman, that was his price for his vote
betsuni
Mar 2017
#120
True. And if we don't make the case -- loud and proud -- we will never generate the political will.
pat_k
Mar 2017
#512
Agree. An example of the contrast is Inslee and WA delegation stand against travel ban.
suffragette
Mar 2017
#7
You will not absolve jill stein's LIES.. she owns a chunk of trump and those who got suckered..
Cha
Mar 2017
#16
So someone didn't get their pony so they figure screw everyone else?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Mar 2017
#47
The extreme left that voted for Bush in Florida in 2000? The extreme left that picked Reagan?
Rex
Mar 2017
#50
Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton.. there goes your premise..
Cha
Mar 2017
#101
Oh comey was at fault too but the LIES stein told and in Swing States Cost us the election..
Cha
Mar 2017
#339
You are correct, of course. Too many here don't remember when the Democrats weren't cowards
Gore1FL
Mar 2017
#115
Also, as much as I love Obama, I also criticize him for not calling out the Republicans enough
Akamai
Mar 2017
#122
The push to convince us we can only be center right to alt-right is well underway. It's
brewens
Mar 2017
#131
LOLOLOL, So White people supported Trump because REagan,Bush etc wasn't impeached , indicted Etc ?
JI7
Mar 2017
#153
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but note the absolution this gives to racist whites. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2017
#419
I understand where youre coming from. But since we cant go back, we must go forward and keep this
caroldansen
Mar 2017
#154
I don't think anyone in particular gave us The Con. For DECADES I've been told we should elect
napi21
Mar 2017
#156
Yep, and the excuse from the OP and those that agree with them for not opposing this is that those
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#436
Albeit late but thanks for your response. In hindsight, trump promised people things he
akbacchus_BC
Mar 2017
#378
Your phrase "self-entitled ourgeoisie" to describe the "left" who voted against Hillary
delisen
Mar 2017
#239
lol. they do and white men mostly go for the bigots. thats why they still approve of trump
JI7
Mar 2017
#319
yes, they agree with hating and attacks on minorities. that's what matters to them . Trump is strong
JI7
Mar 2017
#369
right. And your thesis is that racism is more enticing than strength/dominance behavior
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#441
I'm going to explain this to you one more time, slowly, just in case we can have a meeting
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#454
"Strength is truth, spoken with conviction, framed in a moral matrix, and backed up by action"
pat_k
Mar 2017
#460
Yeah, um, no. The extreme left gave us Jill Stein. It also gives us calls 2 primary current Dems
msanthrope
Mar 2017
#236
The DLC hasn't been in existence for more than six years. How could they have driven people away...
George II
Mar 2017
#257
A lot of people don't want to admit that the dems had any responsibility in this clusterfuck.
CrispyQ
Mar 2017
#255
Understood. I actually signed up as a Democrat because or Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren.
iscooterliberally
Mar 2017
#437
"You and others had repeatedly argued that the left didn't affect the election results in any way."
pat_k
Mar 2017
#384
A request for a tally of votes lost the party over three decades is NOT "a simple question."
pat_k
Mar 2017
#407
I've never made that claim either, and I've had a few recent conversations with you on this topic.
JCanete
Mar 2017
#447
You don't have to be interested. It's still here if other people are. Personally, I find it
JCanete
Mar 2017
#452
that is going to be very hard to do. It just takes continuing to be patient i think, and putting in
JCanete
Mar 2017
#501
I want to thank them too, for proving your assertions wrong so all can see. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#534
if stein voters weren't extreme left...then who is?...every vote for her was a vote for trump
beachbum bob
Mar 2017
#427
Nope, wishing doesn't make it so. There is no evidence for what you write. You just want it to be
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#435
I saw it. Just more wishing to make it so. All unproven wild assertions. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#532
Strong, well-conceived OP. I'd toss in also the bandwidth and high ground our leadership loses
JudyM
Mar 2017
#506
Yes they did...they are spoilers who refuse to face reality and consider winning strategies...they
Demsrule86
Mar 2017
#513