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In reply to the discussion: Sanders reopens Dem primary wounds [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)316. Well...
He's not a member of the party. His pick is just a way for him to continue to influence something he has no business influencing. And, it's his time for him exit the stage. He tried, he failed and now it's time for him to move on. (Unless he wants to re-commit in a meaningful way to the party. Which, he obviously does not want to do, and therefore I have no reservations in dismissing someone whom the party has also rejected in no uncertain terms. He's not being serious, therefore I cannot take him seriously.)
... because it's all about the private club and not about the country or the planet, right?
Yes, that's how political parties work. You guys will just have to learn to work within the system instead of wasting time trying to dismantle it. Time to be realistic and mature. (This is why third parties fail or languish. This is why the only "power" of third parties is to be a spoiler by drawing away votes from the major party that they're philosophically closer to.)
I'm a partisan Democrat that's willing to put country over party.
You say that as if you're proud of yourself. You shouldn't be. What you're boasting about is a liability.
(Words, words...) I doubt you want to go there, especially on this forum.
I have no idea what you're rabbiting on about.
Evolve in to a party who get's it, that WHAT is more important than WHO.
What exactly does our party not "get"? We have a damn good party! This kind of whining talk that I keep hearing is a bit unrealistic to me and in the quest for perfection you guys end up sabotaging the pretty-damn-good-already. It's all evocative of lollipops and unicorns and rainbows, our-way or no-way. Again, it's the "let's burn down the house because it has a leaky faucet" phenomenon.
On one hand, those who advocate such a thing are quite proud of themselves and their lofty purity. But, when you think about it... destroying to start over from scratch... and in pursuit of impossible perfect to boot... well there are many who'd characterize that way of political thinking as being a bit bonkers. It's just an adult version of having a temper tantrum.
Is there no advantage to experience? // Ask the White House occupier.
Why are you being evasive? I'm asking you. It was a rhetorical question because the answer is pretty damned obvious already. The fact that you chose to be catty and evasive about it tells me a lot.
Do you really want a bunch of newbies trying to run our government? // If the newbies have better ideas then the establishment, yes. Notice I said "if."
"If" you actually feel that way, then that's a naive and idealistic way for people to look at things. It takes more than "better ideas" to run an entire country. (I said "if" too.)
(Blah, blah, blah...) So I'm not going to be baited into naming names because that's more divisive than discussing positions on issues.
Evasive. Your excessively wordy avoidance helps to reinforce my observations that this pejorative label varies depending on the person using it, and varies depending on at whom it's being hurled. In other words: it's meaningless. It's just an insult to be used whenever you disagree with someone.
But sometimes you need to tear down what stands in the way of remodeling.
That's a very presumptuous way of thinking. There's a saying about "vanity" or "pride" that I can't quite recall the wording of right now. Maybe it's a biblical quote that I'm blanking on. Anyway, he really does have some gall to think the he (someone whom our party rejected, and someone whose time has come and gone) is the SOLE SAVIOR of a party that he doesn't even care for enough to bother joining. Weird. What kind of message does that send?
The only issue on this thread is whether or not Bernie should have an opinion...
Sorry, that's bullshit. To the best of my knowledge, no reasonable person believes that he shouldn't "have an opinion". He, like anyone, can have an opinion.
and whether or not we should respect it despite his party status.
That's more to the point. His day is over. His song is at an end and the last note is fading. The sun is setting on his long career. The fact is this: he CHOSE to not be a member of our party. That was his choice. Nobody forced him to reject our party. Yet he and his fans think he deserves to be treated as if he's more than what he really is. Why? In my opinion he's really done nothing to earn that kind of influence within a party he clearly has so much contempt for.
You can choose not to listen to Bernie's opinion if you want to.
Irrelevant.
I (for one) will listen to and respect his opinion, even if I don't agree with it. Bernie has earned my respect.
Also irrelevant. Respect him all you want. Enjoy. Honor him. Follow him. Follow him wherever he may go. But it's really not his place to dictate to the party.
He had his chance... but he took a pass on staying in the party. We now know where his loyalties are, and it's not with us.
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I have a hunch you'd be wrong. As the previous poster said, he couldn't even deliver his own
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2017
#272
He won't be joining it. He's already said so. Unless you think he'll go back on his word.
MADem
Feb 2017
#197
Keyword "almost." And he had certainly ran against Democratic candidates in Vermont
question everything
Feb 2017
#179
I agree. I checked the Senate page and he is still listed as an Independent.
LiberalFighter
Feb 2017
#324
They didn't win because of Comey's last minute letter bombs. And Sanders is deluding himself
pnwmom
Feb 2017
#21
The GOP had a lot waiting for Sanders and O'Malley--possibly including a bogus FBI investigation.
StevieM
Feb 2017
#122
True. Comey cancelled out the damage done to Trump by the Acccess Holywood tape release
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2017
#174
Hillary respects the Constitutuion, Trump doesn't . She is highly qualified, he not at all etc.
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2017
#232
How would we know? There was that Ponzi scheme related to EB-5 visas in Vermont.
pnwmom
Feb 2017
#299
I reread his comments and checked myself to see if my initial impression was an overreaction..
JHan
Feb 2017
#202
No The DNC needs a refocus of priorities from the BOTTOM up. The top down shit is what
Vincardog
Feb 2017
#281
Yup. Not a swipe, but a "perceived swipe" on the part those who refuse to recognize
KPN
Feb 2017
#97
Why doesn't Bernie become a Democrat? Keith Ellison, and Tom Perez are Democrats
still_one
Feb 2017
#136
Maybe sometimes it's better to not be so vocal. I do not want to hear opposition against the
TrekLuver
Feb 2017
#3
We need a common front. There is more that unites us than divides us.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2017
#8
Drumpf's black friends remind me of the soldier Denzel's character called snowflake.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2017
#17
Agree. So sick of seeing this stuff and I voted for Hillary enthusiastically a month early. nt
Quixote1818
Feb 2017
#138
Because this is the first unhelpful comment by Sanders? ..... the answer is no
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#286
Though he's voted Democrat more often than ANY Democrat throughout his Congressional career..
KPN
Feb 2017
#114
Because of the millions of Democrats who voted for him and donated to him.
Motown_Johnny
Feb 2017
#297
Bernie, commit to the party. Don't just become a Dem to run for president then leave again
delisen
Feb 2017
#9
He didn't just "leave again". Bernie had always said that if he should lose his Presidential bid,
FourScore
Feb 2017
#294
I will question any person - whether Rep /Dem/Ind - who comes with that kind of smear..
JHan
Feb 2017
#244
I love Ellison - I haven't agreed with him on everything but he's a stand up guy..
JHan
Feb 2017
#248
I'm sure this thread will get alerted. If you mention Bernie and primary in the same sentence
TrekLuver
Feb 2017
#94
Perhaps Bernie should concern himself with fighting Trump and leave the Democratic
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#259
This continuation of a primary fight reminds me of the Confederate types who
guillaumeb
Feb 2017
#26
"Actually" ... nothing could be further from the truth. Our party is NOT "broken", and ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#301
Using the word "better" is an odd way to describe a message that was soundly rejected.
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#309
I have no problem with either Perez or Ellision, but really Bernie, isn't it time
still_one
Feb 2017
#56
Bernie, like Hillary represents the PAST...and Democrats need to keep their eye on the FUTURE
NoGoodNamesLeft
Feb 2017
#63
wasn't Biden on the winning national ticket twice ? and Perez served under the popular admin ?
JI7
Feb 2017
#64
The truth hurts but the continuing dismal performance by Democrats nationwide proves Bernie right.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#132
He's part of the Clinton/Obama wing of the Party. Time to move to the left, not the center.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#155
I think everyone is loyal once the leaders are chosen. The choosing is where the rub is.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#162
Unfortunately, I think our Presidential elections have become ones based on personality.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#170
To continue not to recognize Gerrymandering and voter suppression as the MAIN factors
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#224
We have a bigger problem making up realities about voter suppression and gerrymandering. Trillions
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#285
I don't know about trillions-that may not be reality. However, millions did stay home this time.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#288
Agreed, voter suppression first... then a message. Stronger Together is unbeatable then and now...
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#289
Totally agree. Suppression cost Gore in 2000 and it's only gotten worse since then.
jalan48
Feb 2017
#290
Oh ffs, Bernie. Why have you not joined the party? Why nothing EVER but criticism?!
Hekate
Feb 2017
#157
As for advice, if it's a choice between BS & Joe Biden, I know where I come down. No question.
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2017
#172
I have noticed that too. It's pretty refreshing to not have such a backlash to an endorsement
bravenak
Feb 2017
#195
+1, Sanders "movement" so far has been mostly talk. I've seen LITTLE TO NO ACTION and...
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#226
If Bernie wants to tell the Democratic Party what to do, maybe he should join it.
SunSeeker
Feb 2017
#194
+1, He's not helping... I don't see how he can see that statement as helping either. If he does then
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#227
I think he's more useful in the House. Of course, I'm not making the decisions....
MADem
Feb 2017
#317
I agree, enough of the hogwash, let's look with clear eyes and see what actually happened, face fact
synergie
Feb 2017
#276
So many words blaming everyone but the candidate, the party and the message.
George Eliot
Feb 2017
#282
Biden had a "failed approach?" The only non-Democrats I heard say that up to now were Republicans.
DFW
Feb 2017
#217
"Do we stay with a failed status-quo approach or do we go forward with a fundamental restructuring..
pat_k
Feb 2017
#220
Its a swipe when there's no mention of gerrymandering, voter suppression or Russia...
uponit7771
Feb 2017
#228
Bernie, you didn't help the Democrats then, and you're not helping now. Bernie-voters need not
WinkyDink
Feb 2017
#320
if people could just train themselves to ignore his latest hissy fit
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2017
#323