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Hekate

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125. Absolutely not. Tokyo Rose was an obvious propagandist for Japan in WW II...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jan 2017

....with a soft and friendly voice beamed directly at US troops in the Pacific from our deadly enemy, attempting to undermine their morale with a combination of fake news, concern for their wellbeing, and propaganda. Can't remember if she also played popular tunes for them. I believe she was a US citizen who got stuck in Japan by the outbreak of the war. 50 years later we find out she was coerced, but she did do our enemy's bidding. Go google.

Kellyanne is a whole different kettle of fish: malignant, a master of the Gish Gallop, all the subtlety of a jackhammer, and she is not being coerced. She herself is the enemy, of her own free will.

I will take credit for starting to call Thom Hartmann "Tokyo Rose" here at DU. I'm being consciously sarcastic, but in a very specific sense. There is no joke at the end of this post.

Thom is someone admired and trusted by a certain segment of America, and he is broadcasting from the studios of a country that is our sworn enemy. Up to a point, I see how he and a few other Americans got there in the first place: the smiling face, the offer of the hand of brotherhood, the Cold War is officially over, the paycheck.

But Putin's Russia is now revealed not only for what some of us knew already, but as an entity that is actively trying to destroy the government of the US as well as that of democratic European nations.

Russia effing bent our presidential election. What the Hell is Thom Hartmann doing still taking their money?

Just saying: I don't use the term lightly, and I'll always be careful to whom I apply it.

Maybe that will be one of the new games for the press greymattermom Jan 2017 #1
Nutcracker soldier needs new battery dalton99a Jan 2017 #2
lol she fucking deserves that Cha Jan 2017 #7
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #23
I think I've figured her out. The faster she talks, the bigger the lie Arkansas Granny Jan 2017 #3
Good points! nt Sunny05 Jan 2017 #99
She throws out 100 things to obfuscate. A slow disection and constant redirects are needed by press TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #128
"rambling" Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2017 #4
It's like everyone in trump's administration is adopting his "Thin skinned mindset". dubyadiprecession Jan 2017 #5
And the entire world gets to see it replayed again and again lunatica Jan 2017 #29
Conway calling Spicer's lies "Alternative Facts" Native Jan 2017 #6
He got her to admit the truth. The land of "alternative facts." kairos12 Jan 2017 #8
Alternate Bullshit.. freaking freakshow.. Cha Jan 2017 #11
Like "the earth is flat" is an alternative fact dalton99a Jan 2017 #12
Or, like religious fantasies are facts. stopbush Jan 2017 #47
Religion and fox news Joediss Jan 2017 #76
Like tRump is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ alt-fact Pluvious Jan 2017 #118
ALTERNATIVE FACTS ARE LIES, Kellyann, you fucker! Squinch Jan 2017 #17
Post-truth society. nt NickB79 Jan 2017 #45
Hey we should have an "alternative president" Generator Jan 2017 #92
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Sunny05 Jan 2017 #103
Amen. nt Sunny05 Jan 2017 #101
When she's thinking of her next lie, her left eyebrow goes up nt adigal Jan 2017 #9
I think her 'tell' is when she opens her mouth lunatica Jan 2017 #30
Bwah-ha-ha! Sunny05 Jan 2017 #107
Oh, good obs Sunny05 Jan 2017 #105
Aha! I'm going to watch for that. Arkansas Granny Jan 2017 #130
I think that's just her shovel face. Yup nt sturnz0r Jan 2017 #139
Next 3 weeks a lot of the foul shit aboard the illegitimate Republican-Russian Regime, Inc. will.. Achilleaze Jan 2017 #10
Define "destroyed", please.. juicy details appreciated. Cha Jan 2017 #13
He would not let up on one question... kairos12 Jan 2017 #18
That's okay.. you did a fine job, kairos.. thank you! Cha Jan 2017 #21
Cha-found the link kairos12 Jan 2017 #26
Todd was unrelenting. Conway immediately went into her deflection routine. oasis Jan 2017 #38
Rode hard Scarsdale Jan 2017 #67
Can we please leave her looks out of this? Native Jan 2017 #126
Totally agree... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #151
She almost derailed him when she completely mischaracterzed yesterday's marches. Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #71
She talks about everything but the subject. Jim Beard Jan 2017 #111
My point is that her tactic of talking about everything but Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #116
"alternative facts". Only Trumpoid Deplorables would swallow that line. oasis Jan 2017 #120
My point is that "alternative facts" were not the only Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #123
This whole thing is so damn depressing. 4 years of this? I'm ready to call it quits now. Native Jan 2017 #53
We're going to have to rethink our relationship with the press. avebury Jan 2017 #73
Yep.. you can tell that's their go to Cha Jan 2017 #97
What's funny is that when she attacks Todd for offeering his opinion about the Spicer presser tblue37 Jan 2017 #114
thank you! I missed this post Cha Jan 2017 #150
they're so good at attacking Conway in part because she's a woman. They still bow down to Trump Bucky Jan 2017 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jan 2017 #66
They aren't getting much of a chance Marthe48 Jan 2017 #85
VICTIMS Roy Rolling Jan 2017 #100
"Alternative facts"? procon Jan 2017 #15
Lies. nt. thucythucy Jan 2017 #16
As was said by ex-secret service guy on AM Joy...there are Stellar Jan 2017 #68
I hope they use the term "inoperative" soon 90-percent Jan 2017 #19
This is the Orwellian stuff that Norbert9 Jan 2017 #20
More details? smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #22
Here is the link. kairos12 Jan 2017 #25
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #43
Oh how I wish calling a woman a "bitch" would fade out of acceptance regardless of the politics. SticksnStones Jan 2017 #90
I know, I don't like it either, but in this case it seems to fit. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #91
Certainly not picking a fight...just hate that word thrown at women. SticksnStones Jan 2017 #95
You are right, I don't like it either. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #113
How about, "Propaganda Barbie"? Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #106
Ok, that works. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #109
Works for me SticksnStones Jan 2017 #138
I call her ms. gish gallop shraby Jan 2017 #141
She even 8th grade hair flipped JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #24
The flip was something to behold. Native Jan 2017 #56
She did that about a dozen times in the 15 minute interview. George II Jan 2017 #77
I don't think he rattled her - she seized on the use of the word "ridiculous" adigal Jan 2017 #27
I do think that was a poor choice of words by him, however kairos12 Jan 2017 #28
Hah! As soon as she said "alternative facts" she lost all credibility brush Jan 2017 #35
Ms. Collie-Anne Conway-Goebbels never HAD any credibility.... lastlib Jan 2017 #84
Yep! I thought of Goebbels too. brush Jan 2017 #142
I don't think he rattled her - she seized on the use of the word "ridiculous" LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #152
I couldn't get through the whole scuffle tom_kelly Jan 2017 #31
Comrade KelllyAnne is a living lie Achilleaze Jan 2017 #32
Tokyo Rose. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #112
Absolutely not. Tokyo Rose was an obvious propagandist for Japan in WW II... Hekate Jan 2017 #125
Man the more and more I hear Conway, the more disgusted I get lancelyons Jan 2017 #33
Conway like "Him" is a Compulsive liar ScubaSteve Jan 2017 #34
It's going to be heaven05 Jan 2017 #36
Shes a lyin sack of shit just like her boss workinclasszero Jan 2017 #37
I see why Trump praised her as his fighter SujiwanKenobee Jan 2017 #39
I don't agree. Todd knew that Conway wasn't going to answer the question from the get-go. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #117
He got her to say "alternative facts." That's pretty damn good in my estimation. Native Jan 2017 #129
I could only take 5 minutes of that BS. It's going to be a loooooog 4 years. Vinca Jan 2017 #40
With the BLATANT LIES being told...they can start going after them. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #41
perfect example of why she was hired,,,,,,nt Cryptoad Jan 2017 #42
How the hell does she sleep at night? nini Jan 2017 #44
She has always looked... skypilot Jan 2017 #60
Amazing Madam Mossfern Jan 2017 #46
+1 narnian60 Jan 2017 #88
She's aged about 15 years since she started shilling for Trump. stopbush Jan 2017 #48
She looks the same to me. Native Jan 2017 #59
Harpies don't change Marthe48 Jan 2017 #89
Her 50th birthday was day of the inaugeration... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #143
Looked like the same ol' gish gallop to me. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #49
Also, she's a WASTE of our airwaves! Pointless, non-educating time-filler!! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #54
She 2naSalit Jan 2017 #79
She can't answer the question without blowing the lead. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #121
Unbelievable. I don't find her amusing at all. ecstatic Jan 2017 #50
Almost made it for 5 minutes randr Jan 2017 #51
She is on Face the Nation now spewing the same old bullshit. SamKnause Jan 2017 #52
Her behavior is absolutely disgusting! tenderfoot Jan 2017 #55
Its a start. Stinky The Clown Jan 2017 #57
I am so sick of reporters calling lies by every other possible name. Falsehood? Seriously? Native Jan 2017 #58
Lies cilla4progress Jan 2017 #83
IKR? workinclasszero Jan 2017 #108
I tried. I just cannot listen to that voice. CanonRay Jan 2017 #61
Alternative Facts needs to go viral bluecollar2 Jan 2017 #62
OMG.... joewicker_TX Jan 2017 #63
Did anyone catch the press threat? AJT Jan 2017 #64
Yes. They should react in kind and STOP interviewing her! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #69
Yup. I was screaming at my computer. First CNN. Now NBC adigal Jan 2017 #75
Bingo AJT Jan 2017 #119
Then they'll just have to write about what they know Cha Jan 2017 #122
No, Propaganda Barbie, you've got it backwards. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #124
That and telling them how to do their jobs and the veiled payback threats. Native Jan 2017 #132
Yes. It was blatant. That's when I stopped listening. Lochloosa Jan 2017 #155
Has any face EVER cried out more desperately for a pie? 11 Bravo Jan 2017 #65
I can't think of one Zambero Jan 2017 #72
JHFC.. I don't know how the hell I made it through Cha Jan 2017 #70
his followers will love her attitude even though she completely avoids an answer to his question DrDan Jan 2017 #74
Too bad he didn't bring up Katy Tur's video: George II Jan 2017 #78
Perhaps somebody should set up a Crowdfund page so folks can donate to buy catbyte Jan 2017 #80
They better get it through their collective heads superpatriotman Jan 2017 #81
That's the first time I have seen Todd show some balls. Bravo! BigBearJohn Jan 2017 #82
I'm calling My Bank Ccarmona Jan 2017 #86
On ABC, George Snufalumpolus was brutal about the lies told about the coronation. alfredo Jan 2017 #87
Lol. Good for Mr. Snuffleupagus! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #96
Reminds me of an old drinking buddy alfredo Jan 2017 #148
Does she use BS to fuel her broom? If so she should be careful. appleannie1943 Jan 2017 #93
Todd ALMOST managed to utter the word "lie," but then stopped himself and slid right to "provable tblue37 Jan 2017 #94
Conway's toy soldier outfit goes with the nickname, "Propaganda Barbie." Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #98
And she's turning more orange! SaveOurDemocracy Jan 2017 #102
From #SpicerFacts: Danascot Jan 2017 #104
LOL! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #131
I think we are going to have rethink our relationship here? liberal N proud Jan 2017 #110
Everytime I hear her ramble on... zanana1 Jan 2017 #115
god, she's horrible ProfessorPlum Jan 2017 #127
KellyAnn Goebbels is just sickening... as bad as Trump himself Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #133
Who Fucking Cares?! SoCalMusicLover Jan 2017 #134
I really don't think she gets rattled at all. sammythecat Jan 2017 #135
Chuck Todd can't stand Kellyanne JI7 Jan 2017 #136
This is what we get with an unvetted piece of crap in office! Rex Jan 2017 #137
Todd: Bravo, excellent. A tutorial for your fellow journos. NCjack Jan 2017 #140
She is a sick ass too bdamomma Jan 2017 #144
How does one learn to do what she does. IcyPeas Jan 2017 #145
You'll first want to get parts of your brain removed. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #146
All he did was keep asking her to answer his simple question. Mister Ed Jan 2017 #147
OK, this cultural reference canetoad Jan 2017 #149
Ab Fab! Frogg Jan 2017 #153
Conway still dominated most of the segment...Don't fool yourselves beachbum bob Jan 2017 #154
Chuckie Todd found a spine Gothmog Jan 2017 #156
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