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Dark n Stormy Knight

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235. I am not looking for a scapegoat, I'm looking for facts to explain the outcome of the election.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:06 AM
Dec 2016

The popular narrative that it was based on economic concerns is not supported by the facts.

According to a broad swath of popular understanding, Donald Trump will be the next president because he narrowly won three critical states -- Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- powered by working class voters frustrated with economic intransigence.

But that's not what exit polling shows in those states, to Southpaw's point. Exit polls show Hillary Clinton winning a majority of the vote from people who told pollsters that the economy was the most important issue facing the country. What's more, in each state, a majority of voters said that was the case.

In fact, if we extend that out to every state for which we have exit polling, in 22 of those 27 states a majority of people said that the economy was the most important issue. And in 20 of those states, voters who said so preferred Hillary Clinton. In 17, in fact, a majority of those voters backed Clinton.
More here.

Even if it were about economics, it stands to reason that most Democrats are going to find it hard to understand, much less respect, anyone who voted to make a blatantly racist, lying, cheating, handicap-mocking, pussy-grabbing, self-aggrandizing, intemperate bully president of our country.

Your OP seemed to have two main points:

A. Rural folk are better than city folk.

Your "Stopping at a Store before a Storm" story seemed meant imply that rural folk are somehow better than city folk, despite that fact that the behaviors you describe are simply not extraordinary.

People who live in more populated areas are simply not going to talk to or make contact with every person they pass. Mainly because it would be logistically impossible, but I'm sure many people simply prefer to mind their own business and have others do the same. So what? That does not make rural folk superior.

And, by the way, your saying rural people act one way and not another doesn't make it true either. One side of my family is from rural Virginia, and just about every single one of them speaks of "city folk" with an air of superiority, often outright disdain. My husband has family in the rural mid-west, and they have the same attitude.

And it's likely that I'm not the only one here who speaks of rural people from personal experience that differs from yours.

B. You wish Democrats would have offered the change people were craving.

Which changes exactly do you imagine they were craving? Which of these accomplishments of the Obama administration had them so hungry for change that they were willing to elect the racist, lying, cheating, handicap-mocking, pussy-grabbing, self-aggrandizing, intemperate bully candidate over the candidate who was likely to continue with the Obama agenda?

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.

25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.

26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.

27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.

31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.

32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.

33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.

34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.

35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.

36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.

38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.

40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.

41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.

42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.

43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.

44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.

45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.

50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.
Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments


Rural living. [View all] LWolf Dec 2016 OP
If most rural Americans didn't constantly vote against their best interests ... LonePirate Dec 2016 #1
It's only a fool who never felt like one. WheelWalker Dec 2016 #4
I suspect most people vote for candidates who they THINK is in their best interest. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #6
marketing AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #19
Combined with the "What have you done for me lately?" phenomenon. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #22
Welcome to DU, AlexSFCA! calimary Dec 2016 #32
post truth AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #43
And that's part of the problem right there. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #81
Yes, it is a problem The Genealogist Dec 2016 #158
Keep in mind that some view at least some of those programs as the REASON for economic woes. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #56
I imagine many of them don't see themselves ever needing it. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #65
Did you miss the part... druidity33 Dec 2016 #18
we need to be strategic AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20
I said most of rural America, not all of rural America. LonePirate Dec 2016 #21
It is never a waste of time to go after every vote. kwassa Dec 2016 #143
I refuse to respect any voter who supports racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. LonePirate Dec 2016 #146
and the fact that these voters vote Republican doesn't mean they support those things. kwassa Dec 2016 #150
Except those issues were the key issues on the Republican side of this past presidential campaign. LonePirate Dec 2016 #151
From your perspective, not from theirs. kwassa Dec 2016 #154
Most voters who were worried about the economy voted for Hillary, not Trump... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #167
Not the former factor workers whose jobs disappeared overseas. kwassa Dec 2016 #220
Evidence for this? Exit polls on election night contradict what you said. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #238
NEVER is an awfully long time hfojvt Dec 2016 #157
You are completely wrong..... paleotn Dec 2016 #209
No amount of marketing will reach them. They chose the racist who will take their health care. LonePirate Dec 2016 #210
Then we lose and the country goes down the drain paleotn Dec 2016 #213
No amount of trying will persuade people who are only interested in destruction and ignorance. LonePirate Dec 2016 #214
Did you even read my post? paleotn Dec 2016 #216
You seem to think they can be reached. I don't think they can be reached, hence an impasse. LonePirate Dec 2016 #217
"Some of us have no interest in coddling fools." tecelote Dec 2016 #40
Ask that question a year from now when they lose their health care and Social Security. LonePirate Dec 2016 #41
And you're laying the groundwork for change? tecelote Dec 2016 #42
I have zero interest in changing rural America so that they join the rest of us in the 21st century. LonePirate Dec 2016 #48
Spoken just like the Trump supporters. tecelote Dec 2016 #60
Nope. Unlike them I am more than happy to let them live by their rules in their backwards USA. LonePirate Dec 2016 #61
And this is exactly why Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #244
Democrats have tried to help them and have succeeded when given a chance. LonePirate Dec 2016 #247
Tried to help them? Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #249
They could act like they are not a different species by joining the rest of us in 2016 America. LonePirate Dec 2016 #252
Thats OK, we will just keep on taking their money Kilgore Dec 2016 #255
".....and there is a monumental amount of stupidity firmly entrenched in rural America nowadays." pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #59
+1! tecelote Dec 2016 #66
They are more interested in their hatred for us treestar Dec 2016 #96
Yup. + 1,000,000 NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #49
The people who elected him. Don't forget Hitler won a clear plurality in the 1933 election. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #119
donald did not win, imho. tomp Dec 2016 #137
You're deciding what's in their best interests? MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #46
+ 1,000 NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #50
Someone needs to given how they think their best interests include bigotry, early deaths ... LonePirate Dec 2016 #52
You're going to take the position that they voted in their best interests? Squinch Dec 2016 #90
Yes treestar Dec 2016 #97
They ARE voting for their interests if their interest is keeping black and other minorites down JI7 Dec 2016 #55
Just another reason why we shouldn't bother with them. They are a lost cause. LonePirate Dec 2016 #57
yeah, but this goes for people in rural and city areas . i don't care where they are from JI7 Dec 2016 #58
Exactly treestar Dec 2016 #98
And there it is. First response. nt LWolf Dec 2016 #135
Please elaborate. Do you really think rural Americans vote for their best interests? LonePirate Dec 2016 #144
I really think LWolf Dec 2016 #164
Rural Americans shouldn't support politicians who represent the worst of America. LonePirate Dec 2016 #175
Well said. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #236
I have to ask the obvious.... Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #196
Evidently maintaining the health & welfare of oneself, one's family & the planet is an urban ideal. LonePirate Dec 2016 #198
You continue with the myth....Urban is better than rural....it's not. Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #200
Did you even try to socialize with the people in your building? Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #201
"Did you even try to socialize.."....ohh absolutely I tried.. Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #203
Perhaps its because I live in St. Louis, a city that was eviserated by white flight... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #204
The vast majority of rural America does not think or see things like you do. LonePirate Dec 2016 #202
No...you are wrong..."quite decisively" wrong... Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #241
You may care but rural America's decades long voting streak for Republicans says otherwise. LonePirate Dec 2016 #242
Have we done better??? Several election cycles say not. Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #243
They no longer have any scapegoats come January 20 so maybe they will finally see the light. LonePirate Dec 2016 #245
This mindset is exactly why we will continue to take beatings as we have recently... Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #250
I don't agree that rural Americans know the cause of their ills. LonePirate Dec 2016 #253
You've made that clear....."253. I don't agree that rural Americans know the cause of their ills." Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #254
They were offered a reasonable solution this year. They rejected it in favor of bigotry and lies. LonePirate Dec 2016 #256
Hey...you can live with that vision of those that don't see things your way... Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #259
Someone coddled them and they responded tom_kelly Dec 2016 #211
Except they didn't realize the answer to his question was health care, Social Security & the planet. LonePirate Dec 2016 #212
I get it. easttexaslefty Dec 2016 #2
I hear ya. WheelWalker Dec 2016 #3
No stop signs here jeffreyi Dec 2016 #5
K&R Martin Eden Dec 2016 #7
I don't see that many people feeding the city slicker/country bumpkin stereotyping Warpy Dec 2016 #8
It's pretty much the same where I'm at 2naSalit Dec 2016 #36
This is an interesting observation. I haven't seen that stereotyping either until after the Squinch Dec 2016 #92
I live in a similar situation. Mr.Bill Dec 2016 #9
what specific discrimination do you see from other du'ers? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #10
I recall reading at least one post thst was titled something like f'k the white rural voter. CentralMass Dec 2016 #84
Sounds like pipi_k Dec 2016 #11
I catch myself feeling... AJT Dec 2016 #12
I agree, and the media feeds it every election cycle... rwsanders Dec 2016 #29
Yep, and pipi_k Dec 2016 #142
+1 meadowlander Dec 2016 #161
relunctantly voted for Trump? Skittles Dec 2016 #13
This samir.g Dec 2016 #51
Exactly. n/t Different Drummer Dec 2016 #207
And no attempt to unsderstand treestar Dec 2016 #99
I know. Did you catch the insinuation in the OP that he and his rural Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #122
and that is another thing that bothers me greatly Skittles Dec 2016 #156
Yes and it is not something when you live so close to others you would even think to highlight lunasun Dec 2016 #171
It was frustrating, to be sure. LWolf Dec 2016 #139
Well-said. k&r, nt appal_jack Dec 2016 #14
No It Wasn't ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #225
'Rural people don't really feel the love from the Democratic Party. elleng Dec 2016 #15
Some Can Be Won Maybe But... colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #16
THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2016 #17
Thank you 47of74 Dec 2016 #39
+10000000000000 treestar Dec 2016 #101
I'm with you. Tired of excusing their views due to their willful ignorance. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #128
+1 SunSeeker Dec 2016 #23
+10000000000000 treestar Dec 2016 #100
You write beautifully. Adsos Letter Dec 2016 #24
Is this the new "city boy." plimsoll Dec 2016 #25
No, not intended. LWolf Dec 2016 #136
Didn't think so. plimsoll Dec 2016 #173
Big K&R... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #26
Let's not forget that if they voted for Obama in '08 then they also probably StevieM Dec 2016 #27
It doesn't appear that "they voted for Obama" is exactly true etherealtruth Dec 2016 #123
THIS,THIS,THIS!!! I wish I could pound this into people's heads. Squinch Dec 2016 #186
Excellent points, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #237
They feel excluded. HassleCat Dec 2016 #28
I too live in rural PA, right at the top of the infamous T wcast Dec 2016 #30
but are the young people even staying in your area? pstokely Dec 2016 #93
In my area many of the brightest do tend to move away. wcast Dec 2016 #193
This +1000 DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #107
Ugh, the idea of Pennsylvanians flying a Confederate flag Patiod Dec 2016 #141
Great post. My ancestor fought at Gettysburg with the Pennsylvania Bucktails .... kwassa Dec 2016 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #31
The media doesn't help either. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #33
I live in rural eastern Ohio this area was heavily Democratic until we lost doc03 Dec 2016 #34
Race is interesting in LWolf Dec 2016 #138
exactly - great post Locrian Dec 2016 #190
Yes. LWolf Dec 2016 #222
If the fact they feel insulted makes them vote against the future of their children, Darkhawk32 Dec 2016 #35
I just now decided to see how the Amish vote. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #37
Thank you for this... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #38
"It really does hurt to see so much disdain for rural America on a forum like this." pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #47
I totally agree with you. kwassa Dec 2016 #152
Bravo! Outstanding post! pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #44
The Democratic Party used to be known for helping the little guy in the small towns. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #45
elites who sneer down from the big cities ? So Trump doesn't fit this ? JI7 Dec 2016 #54
Trump just arrived on the scene. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #62
they see equal rights for minorities as sneering at them JI7 Dec 2016 #64
Who is "they"? All rural people? Scapegoat much?! pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #68
"they" are people who voted for Trump. This includes those who live in cities and anywhere else JI7 Dec 2016 #69
So what's your point? It really has nothing to do with the OP now, does it? NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #71
my point is that racism is a HUGE part of their support for Trump and all the elites crap is bs JI7 Dec 2016 #73
Which has exactly 0% to do with the OP. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #75
the OP doesn't want to acknowledge the bigotry behind the Trump vote. JI7 Dec 2016 #77
Broad-brush much? LOL! NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #79
The racists trump voters I know in are far to Violent for Rational Thoughts. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #110
And of course your anecdotal experience is reflective of the entire nation. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #159
no just the racists trump voters . stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #160
+1, why are some ignoring the empirical data on Benedict Donald stoking racial animus to win? Obama uponit7771 Dec 2016 #104
They voted for Trump because he's a white male and stoked racial animus ... period. There are no ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #103
It forces people to confront ugly and inconvenient truths etherealtruth Dec 2016 #126
Lol! It still does that. It's just that those little guys now like to vote for the Republican Squinch Dec 2016 #91
they seem fine with Big City Elites like Donald Trump . JI7 Dec 2016 #53
See post #62 NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #63
Trump didn't just arrive on the scene. he has been pushing Birther crap during Obama's entire JI7 Dec 2016 #67
See #68 NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #70
fuck anyone who voted for Trump. no matter where they live . and they did it over shared bigotry JI7 Dec 2016 #72
Fine. Dump your profanities and ignore the point of the OP. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #74
i get what the OP is doing. but the OP doesn't want to acknowledge the real reason they supported JI7 Dec 2016 #76
You're broad-brushing, and as a result I'm done with you. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #78
lol, if they voted for Trump no matter where they live they are bigots JI7 Dec 2016 #80
Whoosh! (The sound made as the point of the OP sails over your head.) pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #87
Hillary Clinton didn't attack others as hicks or rednecks. but TRump DID attack others JI7 Dec 2016 #88
These are some of the same people who voted for Obama... of course Obama wasn't running against uponit7771 Dec 2016 #106
You didn't answer the question about Fiengold either uponit7771 Dec 2016 #105
Meh, not feeling it. No one kisses California's ass* R B Garr Dec 2016 #82
and even the early primary states where it's all about Iowa and NH JI7 Dec 2016 #83
I found your last finger wagging sentence offensive eleny Dec 2016 #85
. Squinch Dec 2016 #117
Like you I grew up largely in Queens. marybourg Dec 2016 #155
My old neighborhood was Woodhaven right near FK Lane HS eleny Dec 2016 #163
Flushing. nt. marybourg Dec 2016 #187
Instead of dividing us oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #86
Urban living. Squinch Dec 2016 #89
Yep DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #109
Thank you! Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #125
Well, you know. Apparently not mowing down the pedestrians in the parking lot is Squinch Dec 2016 #134
Hey, my high school had a class - Advanced Elbowing eleny Dec 2016 #165
I still have knuckle scars from the Dominicans! Squinch Dec 2016 #166
Omg, I had them in elementary school. Some bruisers, for sure. eleny Dec 2016 #168
Amen. eleny Dec 2016 #130
I grew up in the country. Your story is very, very relatable. DemocraticWing Dec 2016 #94
What derision from DU? treestar Dec 2016 #95
I live in rural Idaho. nilesobek Dec 2016 #102
The racists trump voters I know in are far to Violent for Rational Thoughts. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #108
Sorry but it's too late for all this handwringing .. ananda Dec 2016 #111
Indeed. Laughing, because we too built a temp waterline to the neighbor's when their well failed Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #112
Excellent post. cwydro Dec 2016 #113
Cwydro, you know I love you, but I'm sorry I have to say this. Look at your post. Squinch Dec 2016 #115
I only see this rural versus urban thing here on DU. cwydro Dec 2016 #124
"Perhaps I've missed the ones dissing the urbanites." eleny Dec 2016 #131
Your own post disses urbanites. I don't see it as a big deal, but apparently when it goes the other Squinch Dec 2016 #133
I wish my neighbors were as considerate as yours re guns. Vinca Dec 2016 #114
Fuck em,I hope the stupid fucks suffer all the misery their racism and sexism deserves. libtodeath Dec 2016 #116
Humanity senaca Dec 2016 #118
No problem with ur truck..u use it dembotoz Dec 2016 #120
One of the best posts i have read on DU in quite a while. Kilgore Dec 2016 #121
Good grief, seriously? Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #127
Or that neither take precedence, LWolf Dec 2016 #140
As if a vote for Trump was not a vote for their group's wants, needs, and prejudices, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #184
Actually, I didn't acknowledge that "point" LWolf Dec 2016 #223
I am not looking for a scapegoat, I'm looking for facts to explain the outcome of the election. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #235
Great OP. I agree 100%. KPN Dec 2016 #129
One more time: those for whom the economy and jobs were the most important issue Squinch Dec 2016 #183
The urban folks that denigrate and lump the rural PufPuf23 Dec 2016 #132
Rural folks don't denigrate city folk? Ha. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #148
No different from the rural elitists such as the OP here. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #176
My point is more of those in superior social position defining those of lesser position as PufPuf23 Dec 2016 #179
Frankly speaking, as this election shows, rural whites have far too much political power... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #199
Great post. Squinch Dec 2016 #206
LOLOLOL!!!!! NO, you're wrong. The "big part of what has gone so wrong" are the imbeciles Squinch Dec 2016 #218
We lose rural america because of the gun issue and the misinformation that surrounds it. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #145
I am guilty of it. However, same could be said of rural folks attitudes towards city slickers. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #147
Reverend Horton Heat - Rural Point of View bluedigger Dec 2016 #153
Us vs them is part of the plan.... AJT Dec 2016 #162
Agreed senaca Dec 2016 #170
Yep, people in our rural voted for Obama both times and this time it was Trump Autumn Dec 2016 #169
I was in northern WI this summer LeftInTX Dec 2016 #172
Huge K&R, you have opened my eyes... bless you! secondwind Dec 2016 #174
I'm assuming at least 90% of your neighbors are of a single color, is that right? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #177
I'd say 95% resistance2016 Dec 2016 #181
True, I've been to rural and near rural places where, being white, I end up witnessing... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #185
Y'know, I live in the city, and I regularly HOLD DOORS for people! hatrack Dec 2016 #178
I remember one time, a tire blew and we were in the big bad city... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #188
But, hatrack, you DO run down pedestrians in parking lots, don't you? Because if Squinch Dec 2016 #189
God, I am So busted! Haven't run down anybody in . . . . weeks. hatrack Dec 2016 #191
I am going to have to report you to the Society for Squinch Dec 2016 #192
Oh yeah? Hey FUCK YOU, BUDDY!!!!! hatrack Dec 2016 #194
VROOOOOOM!!!! Oops! Sorry! Squinch Dec 2016 #197
Do white people plow their black neighbor's driveway too where you live? resistance2016 Dec 2016 #180
Excellent! raven mad Dec 2016 #182
Too much tribalism and conformity for my tastes Politicub Dec 2016 #195
I like both. LWolf Dec 2016 #226
You just like a different tribe and different kind of conformity SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #229
I think the implication is the rural conformity excludes LGBT people, whereas the conformity in... Humanist_Activist Dec 2016 #239
Rural's ok tirebiter Dec 2016 #205
tirebiter, thats a handle I remember from the old Pathfinder Time Magazine JimBeard Dec 2016 #208
Can't speak for everyone who disagrees with you, but I am not angry with or scapegoating those folks stevenleser Dec 2016 #215
I agree with all of that. LWolf Dec 2016 #224
At this point Afromania Dec 2016 #219
Great post. kwassa Dec 2016 #221
Beautiful post. Squinch Dec 2016 #251
Or maybe they didn't feel they'd come out ahead in the last 8 years. LisaM Dec 2016 #227
Well, that's all very nice, but I still don't think pnwmom Dec 2016 #228
What is party makeup of your local politicians? Roland99 Dec 2016 #230
I was mortified when Hillary called people deplorable BRToldschool Dec 2016 #231
I was too. It was the 2016 version of Mitt Romney's 47% comment. Initech Dec 2016 #233
Yes! I thought exactly the same thing! BRToldschool Dec 2016 #234
Welcome to DU, LWolf Dec 2016 #240
I totally understand your view and feeling you expressed. Well written. Thank you. kgnu_fan Dec 2016 #232
Thank you. kstewart33 Dec 2016 #246
I love how this is always presented as a one-way street. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #248
That's simply not true. LWolf Dec 2016 #257
Many people here are emotionally invested in their candidates.... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #260
Yes. LWolf Dec 2016 #261
Nice post, thank you. I grew up in a rural area like yours. Unfortunately, it's become all built napi21 Dec 2016 #258
I believe that LWolf Dec 2016 #262
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