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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:37 AM Dec 2016

Do you REALLY want to understand Trumpers and white working-class voters? Please read this. Please. [View all]

Hunter S. Thompson wrote the novel "Hell's Angels" in 1966 after spending some time with the motorcycle gang.

https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/

Most people read Hell’s Angels for the lurid stories of sex and drugs. But that misses the point entirely. What’s truly shocking about reading the book today is how well Thompson foresaw the retaliatory, right-wing politics that now goes by the name of Trumpism. After following the motorcycle guys around for months, Thompson concluded that the most striking thing about them was not their hedonism but their “ethic of total retaliation” against a technologically advanced and economically changing America in which they felt they’d been counted out and left behind. Thompson saw the appeal of that retaliatory ethic. He claimed that a small part of every human being longs to burn it all down, especially when faced with great and impersonal powers that seem hostile to your very existence. In the United States, a place of ever greater and more impersonal powers, the ethic of total retaliation was likely to catch on.

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But though Thompson’s depiction of an alienated, white, masculine working-class culture—one that is fundamentally misunderstood by intellectuals—is not the only one out there, it was the first. And in some ways, it is still the best psychological study of those Americans often dismissed as “white trash” or “deplorables.”

Thompson’s Angels were mostly working-class white men who felt, not incorrectly, that they had been relegated to the sewer of American society. Their unswerving loyalty to the nation— the Angels had started as a World War II veterans group—had not paid them any rewards or won them any enduring public respect. The manual-labor skills that they had learned and cultivated were in declining demand. Though most had made it through high school, they did not have the more advanced levels of training that might lead to economic or professional security. “Their lack of education,” Thompson wrote, “rendered them completely useless in a highly technical economy.” Looking at the American future, they saw no place for themselves in it.

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Their skills were outdated; their knowledge was insubstantial; their powers were inferior. There was no rational way to argue that they were better workers or citizens than the competition; the competition was effectively over, and Angels had lost. The standards by which they had been built had been definitively eclipsed.

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It’s not hard to see in the demographics, the words, and the behavior of Trump supporters an ethic of total retaliation at work. These are men and women who defend their vote by saying things like: “I just wanted people to know that I’m here, that I count.” These are men and women whose scorn of “political correctness” translates into: “You can’t make me talk the way that you want me to talk, even if that way of talking is nicer and smarter and better.” These are men and women whose denials of climate change are gleeful denials of scientific expertise in a world where scientific experts have unquestioned intellectual respect and social status. These are men and women who seemed to applaud the incompetence of Trump’s campaign because competence itself is associated with membership in the elite.

Thompson would want us to see this: These are men and women who know that, by all intellectual and economic standards, they cannot win the game. So whether it be out of self-protection or an overcompensation for their own profound sense of shame, they lash out at politicians, judges, scientists, teachers, Wall Street, universities, the media, legislatures—even at elections. They are not interested in contemplating serious reforms to the system; they are either too pessimistic or too disappointed to believe that is possible. So the best they can do is adopt a position of total irreverence: to show they hate the players and the game.


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While many commentators say Trump will have to bring back jobs or vibrancy to places like the Rust Belt if he wants to continue to have the support of people who voted for him, Thompson’s account suggests otherwise. Many if not most Trump supporters long ago gave up on the idea that any politician, even someone like Trump, can change the direction the wind is blowing. Even if he fails to bring back the jobs, Trump can maintain loyalty in another way: As long as he continues to offend and irritate elites, and as long as he refuses to play by certain rules of decorum—heaven forfend, the president-elect says ill-conceived things on Twitter!—Trump will still command loyalty. It’s the ethic, not the policy, that matters most.






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- Some RW Evangelical recently said that the people want "real" jobs to come back, because "there's no pride in programming". (Programming is hard and takes lots of math-skills. Not everybody can do that. And it looks totally unimpressive from the outside.)

- The job-market gets tougher and tougher, even for those with excellent degrees.

- Increasing automatization means that low-skill jobs will one day simply die out. And the definition of "low-skill job" gets wider and wider with each day.

- I see lots of students who simply have no talent for higher education, no passion for their field of study, no motivation. They would be happier doing something else, but these "something else"-jobs no longer pay well. These students don't want those degrees, but the harsh reality is that they NEED those degrees.










When Trump promised them "Make America Great Again", they heard:
"I promise you to bring back an economy where ordinary, uneducated, hard-working people are high in demand, well-paid and well-respected."

When Clinton promised them "Better Together", they heard:
"I promise you to go forward with a society where everybody is equal, where you still won't be special and where you still will be drowned out by many, many other voices."

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And yet: if not for millions of votes lost to voter suppression, the Russians interference, pnwmom Dec 2016 #1
It was an avalanche of tiny problems. DetlefK Dec 2016 #4
Hillary was proposing a major infrastructure program, and with interest rates pnwmom Dec 2016 #5
It doesn't matter what the Dems propose forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #11
Rigged Media NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #23
I think the mercuryblues Dec 2016 #28
A query quakerboy Dec 2016 #88
they were empowered by a weakened Voting Rights Activists, for one thing fishwax Dec 2016 #93
The Reeps stole the election. ananda Dec 2016 #36
Fixing voter suppression, jailing James Comey and fixing hacking is harder work than believing uponit7771 Dec 2016 #59
A man of true insight. tenorly Dec 2016 #2
? treestar Dec 2016 #25
He might have gotten a kick out of the conspiracy theory Bush had him killed though. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #51
lol treestar Dec 2016 #53
Scary, because Trump doesn't have to succeed Granny M Dec 2016 #3
ANY apocalypse annabanana Dec 2016 #6
And a lot of them sense that they, personally, will do fine in the case of social Nay Dec 2016 #34
I agree get the red out Dec 2016 #17
Right. They'll keep voting for trump, especially if the repugs finally approve . . . brush Dec 2016 #41
Great quote from LBJ Granny M Dec 2016 #48
+1, ... or embrace Russia as long as their lives aren't affected uponit7771 Dec 2016 #60
K&R TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #7
Interesting dembotoz Dec 2016 #8
Trump will steal us all blind while his supporters.... Stellar Dec 2016 #9
Thank you for posting. Bookmarked, recommended, kicked. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #10
ordinary, uneducated, hard-working people - TOTAL BULLSHIT HAB911 Dec 2016 #12
Yep. treestar Dec 2016 #26
Plus, the avg Twitler voter made more money than avg HRC voter uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61
Have we tried offering a living wage to do that? quakerboy Dec 2016 #89
Not personally, but I can read HAB911 Dec 2016 #92
No thanks kcr Dec 2016 #13
I don't think that's a valid conclusion. I agree they're bullies. But it seems to me the conclusion KittyWampus Dec 2016 #54
If you agree they're bullies, then how is my point not valid? kcr Dec 2016 #66
You implied we need to do what bullies want. Have a good week! KittyWampus Dec 2016 #67
The biker community is somewhat more diversified now. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #14
I have a few biker friends radical noodle Dec 2016 #37
You have to be careful with generalizations. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #49
I didn't mean it as a generalization radical noodle Dec 2016 #50
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #15
Hillary failed to connect with The Wizard Dec 2016 #16
Nail on head. Ding! n/t BREMPRO Dec 2016 #18
i've wondered if trump's actual goal barbtries Dec 2016 #19
I recall a magazine article I read after Reagan got elected..... lastlib Dec 2016 #20
If Trump voters were only from that demographic, Hillary would have won. noel711 Dec 2016 #21
Yup. n/t progressoid Dec 2016 #22
Marking for later read underpants Dec 2016 #24
A good read Achilleaze Dec 2016 #27
They had no sympathy for us MFM008 Dec 2016 #29
Precious snowflakes come in all shapes and sizes BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #30
Here is where I disagree BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #31
No you dont "NEED" that degree. You can make good money in trade work. 7962 Dec 2016 #32
Votech has been gutted in this country so people have no idea the trades can be so lucrative forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #33
Good info. This should be a part of the DEM platform and used in stump speeches brush Dec 2016 #44
YEP! Cosmocat Dec 2016 #58
I agree nt 7962 Dec 2016 #68
WHO .... doesn't 'need' that degree?! You see the UE rate for non degree PoC? Come on people uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62
You dont need the degree regardless of your color. Read my post 7962 Dec 2016 #69
so true KT2000 Dec 2016 #83
I bet there are many people like you with personal experience like this. 7962 Dec 2016 #84
Time to organize. littlemissmartypants Dec 2016 #35
Blame minorities for their own short comings. we can do it Dec 2016 #38
By all means, let's try to connect with the "Them Ivry Leaguers can't tell me whot to do" population NBachers Dec 2016 #39
Yes! It goes like this Land Shark Dec 2016 #40
According to Thompson these people would kill you or give you a serious beating if they could. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #42
I live work and socialize witb "deplorables" Land Shark Dec 2016 #86
Get them back? The Deplorables can sit and spin on the cosmic utensil until they rot, TYVM. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #65
Lots Of Truth From The Good Doc colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #43
We are at the point of no return it seems. Like the opening scene of Idocracy. JTFrog Dec 2016 #45
These are racist criminals. Men who choose to live "outside the law" and fund their existence jalan48 Dec 2016 #46
Now THIS is interesting ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #47
your post reminds me of the movie "Crash" yodermon Dec 2016 #55
Heh! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #72
+1, "Still, they are fairly well off and white and in rural Arizona. " this is what's not making ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63
They are actually on a tropical vacation as I speak ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #73
Shitler isn't offending elites, he's attacking those people who voted for him with his actions. onecaliberal Dec 2016 #52
I understand what you are saying ellie Dec 2016 #56
+1, I'm really sick of hearing how non PoC in America have it bad... fuck, we have it worse always uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64
"white working-class" ? Raggaemon Dec 2016 #57
That's because during the 50's, 60's, and 70's, that class was the majority voters. haele Dec 2016 #70
No pride in elegant, functional code? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #74
The fact remains Clinton was a massively flawed candidate. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #81
Best explanation I have read re : trump supporters. kacekwl Dec 2016 #75
Wow! Delphinus Dec 2016 #76
yeah, yeah yeah heaven05 Dec 2016 #77
Well said Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #78
Great Post! BadGimp Dec 2016 #79
Way too broad a brush - nt rumdude Dec 2016 #80
Yea well the stupid fuckers got this.. pbmus Dec 2016 #82
I come from a white working-class background... MountCleaners Dec 2016 #85
Well said..and welcome to DU pbmus Dec 2016 #87
This has nothing to do what happened to this country. duffyduff Dec 2016 #90
The so-called "Silent Majority" that I saw carry signs at Trump rallys were never silent Boomerproud Dec 2016 #91
WOW even Uday & Qusay can't get poor white trash to work HAB911 Dec 2016 #94
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