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JHan

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62. Let's learn some more politics:

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:08 PM

Dec 2016

the problem with the electoral college is beyond Clinton vs Trump:

The problem is it potentially creates scenarios like this one. You cannot deny the premise of it: Yes 79,000 did trump 2.5 million. It doesn't matter if those 2.5 million votes were all in California, or hiding behind God's back, or in Alaska. Those 2.5 million votes represent actual people who are facing the fact that 79,000 people decided the election for them, decided whether they get healthcare coverage, decided policy ranging from education to housing, climate change etc etc.

That the Electoral College creates these scenarios ( regardless of the pitfalls of any candidate) means we have a problem. It is possible that a candidate could win the election with just 30% of the popular vote depending on population density and an imbalance in how electoral votes are dispersed- that is bound to create tension and problems.

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Hillary's gap in PA just dropped by 23K [View all] bigtree Dec 2016 OP

wow! Holy crap. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #1

No, statisically, it can't be happening. Coyotl Dec 2016 #18

K&R Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2016 #36

It is not "hackers," per se. pangaia Dec 2016 #45

But Palast's discussion does not take triron Dec 2016 #65

can't stop staring at that graph bigtree Dec 2016 #38

This graph too, from Wisconsin, 'small wards' votes have anominalies from opitscan machines? Sunlei Dec 2016 #58

80,000 votes DK504 Dec 2016 #66

The Russian-Republican axis can make many strange things happen Achilleaze Dec 2016 #60

Except there is no such thing. Coyotl Dec 2016 #61

Wow that graph is quite striking Cal Carpenter Dec 2016 #79

fuck.. JHan Dec 2016 #2

if you haven't cried yet, barbtries Dec 2016 #30

I have many times :( coming back in a torrent. JHan Dec 2016 #32

Whoa Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #3

Ugh. It never should have been this close, even if the vote totals were flipped. Pathetic. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #4

I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #9

+1,000,000. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #40

With all the SUPPORT for HRC-- it seems an impossibility ailsagirl Dec 2016 #73

Meantime, Mr. Apprentice is making Romney grovel publicly, & chitchatting with Pakistan's PM... Hekate Dec 2016 #5

I wouldn't worry too much about Romney. LisaM Dec 2016 #25

I assume that this is before any recount/audit??/ Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #6

could be uncounted votes bigtree Dec 2016 #7

This is before a recount. Raine1967 Dec 2016 #13

Before recount. Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #33

unofficial vs official counts Amishman Dec 2016 #70

What was it they used to say about counting chickens before they hatch? Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #8

Woo Hoo! SOO close now! nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #10

This is why we need to stop the nonsense of painting a whole state red or blue. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #11

How 79,316 votes nullified 2.3 million votes. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #12

No they didn't Leontius Dec 2016 #51

Yes they did. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #52

Learn politics. Leontius Dec 2016 #56

Let's learn some more politics: JHan Dec 2016 #62

Really! Amimnoch Dec 2016 #67

dislike of Hillary has bad effects.. JHan Dec 2016 #68

The majority in those states weren't going to vote for her no matter what she said. So don't politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #59

yeah that's totally why we lost 79,000 votes and the E.C... yes that's THE WHOLE PICTURE /sarcasm JHan Dec 2016 #63

Wha cilla4progress Dec 2016 #14

It was from the state election boards updating their totals.... Historic NY Dec 2016 #15

Total votes cast between all these states: Almost 14M. SpankMe Dec 2016 #16

Or, put another way: Republicans needed to flip only 40,000 votes to steal the electoral college. Coyotl Dec 2016 #17

Since states are the ones running the election the electoral college provides some buffer.... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #22

Let's hope so! That would be nice. Never more applicable than today. Coyotl Dec 2016 #23

Hmmmm kebob Dec 2016 #19

well rtracey Dec 2016 #20

I've Never Understood The Desperate Need For Anything Other ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #46

Precincts are usually very easy to count. kentuck Dec 2016 #47

Exactly, Kentuck! ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #50

It's a cultural deficiency that can't imagine conspiracy lostnfound Dec 2016 #76

Can someone in PA give us an update on what's going on with the recount effort in PA? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #21

There's 2 tracks DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #26

I thought I heard that the judge in Montco PRETZEL Dec 2016 #31

Some counties are withholding certification DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #35

state recount is so byzantine DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #39

Found a link PRETZEL Dec 2016 #41

every extra vote matters DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #43

I agree PRETZEL Dec 2016 #44

She's only 15k shy of auto recount DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #48

I really hope she makes it PRETZEL Dec 2016 #49

Thanks for that link red dog 1 Dec 2016 #54

time and money maybe PRETZEL Dec 2016 #57

this post on kos says the cook report spreadsheet hasn't been updated orleans Dec 2016 #24

There is so much disinformation on this, you'd think Russia is involved or something. Hoyt Dec 2016 #34

Kick Hekate Dec 2016 #27

strange. Anyone know if the change is because of provisional vote counts? Sunlei Dec 2016 #28

could be or maybe absentee ballots DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #37

K&R... spanone Dec 2016 #29

OK, here's the state law DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #42

Wisconsin raised their recount fee MontanaMama Dec 2016 #53

Increasing the cost by 300%...powers that be trying to shutdown the recount. GAH n/t iluvtennis Dec 2016 #55

Trump halts Michigan Recount TeddyBear 1 Dec 2016 #64

The Gropenfuhrer has spoken. MontanaMama Dec 2016 #71

throwing crap on the wall bigtree Dec 2016 #75

K&R! Cha Dec 2016 #72

JHC.. that's a huge DROP. Cha Dec 2016 #74

don't know if anyone posted this (they probably did) orleans Dec 2016 #77

Absentee Ballots DesmondFoster Dec 2016 #78