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ericson00

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Fri Nov 4, 2016, 02:25 AM Nov 2016

SPLC Disgraces Itself on Ayaan Hirsi Ali [View all]

Last edited Sat Nov 5, 2016, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/southern-poverty-law-center-labels-a-muslim-reformer-and-ex-muslim-atheist-as-extremists/

In a misguided attempt to protect Muslims from bigotry and harm, the venerable Southern Poverty Law Center has gone off the rails—so say former Muslims and moderate Muslims working for reform within their own communities. The SPLC has a long history of fighting racism and holding public figures accountable for inciting violence. In 1981, their legal team bankrupted the United Klans of America after Klan leaders incited the racist murder of a young black immigrant. But the group recently published a document that some say borders on their own version of racism and incitement.

At the heart of the controversy is a media blacklist under the title “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists.” The title itself is indisputably dehumanizing and indirectly threatening. “Field guides” typically describe plants and non-human animals, and the term is associated with hunting. An online search brings up “2016 Hunting and Trapping Field Guide” and “Field Guide for Buck Deer” and “Field Guide: Duck Hunting the Skagit County Coastline.” The title may or may not constitute incitement, but it is at best surprising coming from an organization that has built its legacy by calling out dangerous innuendo.
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But outcry against the list—including a Change.org petition that garnered 8000 signatures in three days—centers on the fact that the SPLC list of 15, which does include some deplorable racists also includes two well-known and widely respected (if controversial) critics of Islam, Aayan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz. Ali, is a former Dutch politician of Somali descent and a harsh critic of Islam whose foundation opposes honor killing, forced marriage and female genital cutting—which she faced in her own family and community. She recounts this history in her book, Infidel. Nawaz is a practicing Muslim reformer, founder of the Quilliam Foundation, a counter-extremism think tank in London.



I'm signing the petition against this. If this doesn't change, I'm not giving my monthly $100 donation to these guys. And I will help troll them pretty hard online.



update: Here is a great rebuttal to this idiocy that got her on this list:
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uh....no. stone space Nov 2016 #1
Ali has never incited to violence. Putting her on this list is an assault on free speech ericson00 Nov 2016 #2
Ali is a brave lady who is standing up to the trumps of her world. Attacking her is a disgrace. patsimp Nov 2016 #81
well said. Even for as bad as Trump it, there is FAR far worse out there; ericson00 Nov 2016 #85
Unbelievable, either they have made a grave error, or their values have become compromised. tritsofme Nov 2016 #3
both. The problem on the left, both in America tho more in Europe, of acknowledging ericson00 Nov 2016 #5
Oh for fuck's sake. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #4
Trump has tainted the talk about the issue; but that aside, there is a genuine issue about ericson00 Nov 2016 #7
^^^ very well put ^^^ Albertoo Nov 2016 #30
thanks! the left has to wake up. Given how the election is close & Trump still polls best on terror, ericson00 Nov 2016 #59
Wow philosslayer Nov 2016 #35
Data that counters your position = "offensive" Marr Nov 2016 #42
Data can be used to show whatever you want it to show. philosslayer Nov 2016 #43
Indeed it is fine to present facts that are not flattering to Islam. Marr Nov 2016 #47
it'll be hard to do that because Pew is understood not to have any conservative bias ericson00 Nov 2016 #50
Did you bother to actually look at the numbers? Or the maps of criminalization of LGBT's? Albertoo Nov 2016 #88
Islam is a religion of peace philosslayer Nov 2016 #90
Can you prove your assertion that Islam is a religion of peace? Albertoo Nov 2016 #91
No less than President Obama has said it 100 times philosslayer Nov 2016 #96
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #98
lololol Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #106
Except when it isn't... Upin Nov 2016 #108
People who support FGM shouldn't be allowed to immigrate Taitertots Nov 2016 #12
In the Harris broadcast, Hirsi-Ali makes the point that it is difficult to screen for these things. lapislzi Nov 2016 #48
LeftyMom is correct mwrguy Nov 2016 #6
Declaring it doesn't make it so... Upin Nov 2016 #8
Agree RelativelyJones Nov 2016 #9
Nor does denial make it untrue. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #11
Folks who go for that whole 'logic' thing... Upin Nov 2016 #15
Cool rationalizations, yet lacking any evidence to support your own premise. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #16
Why do you think the idea... Upin Nov 2016 #22
"regardless of how many times you want to type it." opiate69 Nov 2016 #84
Are you claiming FGM and honor killings are inseparable from Islam? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2016 #24
some forms of honor killing are condoned/advised in the hadiths Albertoo Nov 2016 #31
SPLC has lost all legitimacy. Taitertots Nov 2016 #10
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #14
One disagreement. No one has a right to be violently opposed to ideas Taitertots Nov 2016 #17
every hate group on SPLC has a right to exist Enrique Nov 2016 #52
The point is that their list becomes pointless... Upin Nov 2016 #60
Agreed. /nt Marr Nov 2016 #19
I just listened to Ali's interview with Sam Harris lapislzi Nov 2016 #13
A literal interpretation of the Koran IS incompatible with western civilization Taitertots Nov 2016 #25
I agree with that statement lapislzi Nov 2016 #29
So is a literal interpretation of the bible. nt LWolf Nov 2016 #58
The opposite of civilized is uncivilized philosslayer Nov 2016 #37
Would you call FGM a "savage" or "barbaric" practice? lapislzi Nov 2016 #45
You will not get an answer to that question from your interlocutor friendly_iconoclast Nov 2016 #57
What do you find offensive about being anti-mysogny and anti-FGM? Upin Nov 2016 #61
Wow. That is just a disgusting move on the part of the SPLC. Marr Nov 2016 #18
It is a problem when we cannot call a thing what it is lapislzi Nov 2016 #20
I just don't understand why so many on the left so eagerly stand up for misogynist, anti-gay, Marr Nov 2016 #21
Something like an underdog complex... Upin Nov 2016 #23
I think ideas become distressingly conflated with the people who hold those ideas lapislzi Nov 2016 #26
No. It's the other way around. kcr Nov 2016 #66
There's no credibility for anyone as closely tied to rightwing conservatives as she is. procon Nov 2016 #28
What a slimey smear article you've cited. Marr Nov 2016 #32
Can't get pasted the linked citations, yeah? nt procon Nov 2016 #38
So you rely on an anti-Semitic hack's smear article as proof?? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #72
Now there's an unbiased source, fersure. LOL! procon Nov 2016 #74
go ahead, dig your hole deeper Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #76
If the best rejoinder you have is this puerile claptrap, why even bother? nt procon Nov 2016 #79
I have said enough to expose your post for what it is Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #80
You offered nothing but personal opinions that reflect your own biases. nt procon Nov 2016 #82
really? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #94
Seriously, a Link War? Yes, I get it, you're extremely pro-Israel. procon Nov 2016 #97
you obviously know NOTHING about me, with your ridiculous, over Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #99
Ask me if I'm the least interested in your CV. nt procon Nov 2016 #102
whatever Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #105
Riveting response... Upin Nov 2016 #112
I continue to stand with the SPLC philosslayer Nov 2016 #33
Then it would be on the list as a reason why... Upin Nov 2016 #64
field guides: LWolf Nov 2016 #36
They also attacked Maajid Nawaz which is ludicrous Albertoo Nov 2016 #39
Yes. He seems so genuine. tenderfoot Nov 2016 #83
LOL certainly far more genuine than what Nafeez Ahmed and Max Blumenthal cooked up Albertoo Nov 2016 #87
Lulz tenderfoot Nov 2016 #89
What Does Maajid Nawaz Really Believe? struggle4progress Nov 2016 #86
who can take some one who threatens to troll SPLC pretty hard online seriously? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #41
The SLPC is right. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll be making a donation kcr Nov 2016 #65
Your advocating exclusion of all Muslim refugees is cute pinboy3niner Nov 2016 #67
... anti-Islam activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali made a staggering claim: “If you look at 70 percent struggle4progress Nov 2016 #70
Why Aayan Hirsi Ali Gets A Conservative Media Spotlight struggle4progress Nov 2016 #71
Now Zuhdi Jasser is anti-Islamic? Is this a joke? Albertoo Nov 2016 #93
Meet Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, Star Witness in Peter King’s Anti-Muslim Show Trial struggle4progress Nov 2016 #100
On Fox, Zuhdi Jasser Claims Obama's Mosque Visit Is "A Political Prop" struggle4progress Nov 2016 #103
The SPLC... MellowDem Nov 2016 #73
this ^^^^^^^^^^ Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #95
Good. tenderfoot Nov 2016 #77
In other words, Christianity is the only religion permitted to be criticized davidn3600 Nov 2016 #113
don't forget Judaism, and Hinduism (given that the Western hard-left doesn't like Modhi) ericson00 Nov 2016 #114
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