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Bernardo de La Paz

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25. Do some research. Forgiveness is for the person forgiving. The forgiven one doesn't have to know.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 09:41 AM
Aug 2016

Forgiveness does not mean forgetting.

You can forgive someone and still prosecute them to the full extent of the law. You can forgive someone and bankrupt them to make an example of them.

You can make a vow to never communicate with someone ever again but still forgive them and keep your vow.

The point of forgiveness is to obtain inner peace.

By forgiving, a person lets go of toxic emotions and returns to a [font color = "purple"]clearer head,[/font] one where they can deal with problems and root causes more effectively. Ever heard the expression "blind with rage"?


To expect people to deal with it in a society where the term is 'weak and a pussy' if you seek help, the despair never goes away and every day gets worse.

I never said people should be expected to "deal with it" alone.
I explicitly said "people should be helped...", but perhaps you were too angry to read that.

I never said that society was not a big part of the problem.
I explicitly said anger should be "less respected as an emotion". Perhaps I was not clear enough for you or just not clear enough that therefore society is part of the problem and needs to improve.

A case can be made that society is at the root of the problem.


Anger management is seeing justice done and the bullies and antagonists punished!

Wrong. Anger management is about managing emotions. Seeing justice done is not about revenge or retribution. Right wing authoritarian types think that it is. Law & order campaigners take advantage and whip up those emotions.

But in any case, forgiveness is entirely consistent with seeing justice done and bullies punished. In truth, forgiveness enables a person to do that more clearly and more effectively.

Absolutely true that bullying and oppression starts in on young people at a very early age. But when a person is damaged this way, they can get help to deal with their emotions so they can live a more peaceful life. Doing so does not interfere with "targeting the problem". It helps improve the aim and put more power into the arrow.

Progressives are capable of healing (themselves to some extent and with help and helping others) at the same time as they advance causes to solve root problems. Reactive types only see a problem and one reaction.
Not surprised . . . .n/t annabanana Aug 2016 #1
Tortured by his co-workers deminks Aug 2016 #2
bullying rears its ugly head again in mass shooting aikoaiko Aug 2016 #3
"Mainstream media?" No. Faux "news." Archae Aug 2016 #4
Oh well then, that justifies his actions completely. CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #5
It's not about justifying the violence SticksnStones Aug 2016 #6
Fine, we understand he was angry and bitter, but Quantess Aug 2016 #18
Respectfully, I disagree SticksnStones Aug 2016 #24
Definitely not True Dough Aug 2016 #7
Why do you do that? DetlefK Aug 2016 #9
You offer the word of a man who murdered 50 people as if that word was bond and you Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #11
Except cannabis_flower Aug 2016 #14
And so? By the logic you present, every 'house of worship' that denigrates LGBT, every Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #19
"I don't think the poster is trying to mitigate or justify his actions." cannabis_flower Aug 2016 #20
So you can't even muster an actual response. Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #22
Bullying is never acceptable cannabis_flower Aug 2016 #23
And now the name calling begins. Instead of calling me names why don't you tell me Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #28
Allow me. Behind the Aegis Aug 2016 #32
Oh I see they are still pushing that deflection. I also note that these posters can not Bluenorthwest Aug 2016 #33
We talk about the Rs looking at things simplistically and wanting B&W answers, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2016 #29
But the racists do feel justified in their bullying IronLionZion Aug 2016 #15
He documented the bullying voteearlyvoteoften Aug 2016 #8
Such bullying is NO excuse, but it does provide some explanation. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #10
Forgiveness? You must be joking! SCVDem Aug 2016 #13
My personal story - As a small girl cannabis_flower Aug 2016 #16
Do some research. Forgiveness is for the person forgiving. The forgiven one doesn't have to know. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #25
What have we become? Loki Aug 2016 #12
When I was a kid and attended church regularly, I was taught sinkingfeeling Aug 2016 #17
Only part of the country is of hate, bullying, and fear. Sprinkled throughout and concentrated in Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #26
If you respond to insults with violence, there is something wrong with you and not one who insulted Taitertots Aug 2016 #21
What is normal? SCVDem Aug 2016 #27
If there is something wrong with someone, then they have a problem. Perhaps an illness Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2016 #30
Clearly no excuse for violence rockfordfile Aug 2016 #31
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