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61. There were charges other than who killed him.

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 07:37 AM

Jul 2016

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Surely someone, possibly the driver of the van, should have been convicted of not securing the handcuffed victim in the back of his van so he wouldn't be flailing around without the ability to brace himself because of the handcuffs.

And I don't get at all why so many don't see something very wrong with all these not guilty verdicts when we know what happened in the Eric Garner case, the Trayvon Martin case, the Michael Brown case and many, many others. The criminal justice system protects killer cops.

It happened in those cases and it's apparent that's what's happening here. Why all the denials?

It's already starting to happen in the Baton Rouge case. Here's a link about the Baton Rouge cops suppressing a video from one person who taped that murder on a cell phone. Here's a link:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/alton-sterling-witness-cops-took-my-phone-my-surveillance-video-locked-me-up.html

And in Minnesota the cops won't release the dash cam video from that murderous cops car. Wonder what they're hiding, because if it exonerated the cop they'd be showing it everywhere).

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Freddie Gray case: officer acquitted of assault charge [View all] Eugene Jul 2016 OP

Utilizing summary judgment by a judge vs jury BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #1

There is no jury. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #2

That's what I wrote. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #4

there still won't be a jury dsc Jul 2016 #20

I didn't say there would be BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #56

It's actually not a summary judgment, either. Ms. Toad Jul 2016 #65

The quick google claims such is for civil cases only BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #80

I think a real JD is probably more reliable than Google, Esq. Ms. Toad Jul 2016 #81

The ridiculous hair-splitting that has resulted in this subthread BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #82

Legal terms have specific meanings. Ms. Toad Jul 2016 #84

Again you misinterpreted what I originally wrote BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #85

I did not say I don't know how MD handles the cases. Ms. Toad Jul 2016 #86

Asking a lawyer annavictorious Jul 2016 #3

Looks like the fix is in systemically against the black state's attorney brush Jul 2016 #5

The judge is the same judge whose been involved from the beginning SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #6

So Freddie Gray killed himself? brush Jul 2016 #7

Nope SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #8

Not securing a Gray in the back of a police van while being transport is not a crime . . . brush Jul 2016 #9

No, it's not a crime SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #10

Cite the law that it's not a violation. brush Jul 2016 #11

Laws don't work that way SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #12

The jury trial was hung. The judge, imo, is in on the fix. Someone is culpable. brush Jul 2016 #15

A hung jury SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #16

Like I said, we know it when we see it. brush Jul 2016 #17

I would love to hear your rationale... TipTok Jul 2016 #41

It doesn't matter how he died. There has to be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that this Akicita Jul 2016 #49

If a policeman got into a car with you and came out dead, you would be found guilty no matter what Ash_F Jul 2016 #13

Maybe SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #14

What if the cop had a heart attack or stroke? Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #21

Let's say his spine was mysteriously broken. Ash_F Jul 2016 #27

If a cop had contact with you and a half dozen of your co-workers not all at the same time Akicita Jul 2016 #50

Haha no Ash_F Jul 2016 #57

Bullshit. If anything the officers were undercharged. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #51

Is that because you say so? TipTok Jul 2016 #58

Uncle Tom? NobodyHere Jul 2016 #18

I call them as I see them. So Gray killed himself? brush Jul 2016 #19

If I'm driving SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #22

Ash F already answered that for you. See below. brush Jul 2016 #23

Nope SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #24

You're getting kind of silly with that example brush Jul 2016 #25

Nobody is claiming Gray killed himself TeddyR Jul 2016 #28

The prosecutor DID prove their guilt. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #52

How? TipTok Jul 2016 #55

The man was in a box with no windows. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #42

His dead, handcuffed, unsecured body should be more than enough evidence brush Jul 2016 #46

So which one of the officers killed him? And what proof do you have that he is the one that did it? Akicita Jul 2016 #54

Better analogy would be getaway driver for bank robbers. Lars39 Jul 2016 #60

That's crazy. Do you really believe that all the cops were involved in a premeditated conspiracy Akicita Jul 2016 #64

With armed robbery you don't know if nothing, minor injuries, or death will result. Lars39 Jul 2016 #67

If they all knew that putting a suspect in a police van always causes bodily injuries those vans Akicita Jul 2016 #68

An unsecured prisoner being given a very rough ride Lars39 Jul 2016 #70

Yes, but there is no evidence that the victim here was given a rough ride. No witnesses and no CCTV Akicita Jul 2016 #73

Then the injuries he was given before being put in the van killed him. Lars39 Jul 2016 #77

Even in your own posts, you contradict yourself... TipTok Jul 2016 #78

He was already injured and unrestrained. Lars39 Jul 2016 #79

Wasn't one of the key pieces of evidence for the defense... TipTok Jul 2016 #83

There were charges other than who killed him. brush Jul 2016 #61

Most progressives believe that the evidence in a criminal case must show beyond a reasonable doubt Akicita Jul 2016 #66

Seems most progressives would recognize the pattern of the criminal justice system . . . brush Jul 2016 #69

Reasonable doubt. Ash_F Jul 2016 #59

The case wasn't particularly strong to begin with based on the evidence TeddyR Jul 2016 #26

Yeah, yeah. That's always the fallback excuse — they overcharged brush Jul 2016 #29

You didn't actually address any of the points I made TeddyR Jul 2016 #30

All of them found not guilty of EVERY charge? Yeah, right. brush Jul 2016 #31

Did you even follow the trial of the van driver? Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #32

And cops never lie. How naive are you to believe that after all the high profile cases . . . brush Jul 2016 #35

So all cops should be convicted of every crime they are ever accused of because many cops have been Akicita Jul 2016 #75

If someone is killed and there were Yupster Jul 2016 #33

Like that makes sense. There were lesser charges against all of them. brush Jul 2016 #34

For arguments sake TeddyR Jul 2016 #36

At lease find the driver guilty of a lessor charge, since he is the one who is supporsed . . . brush Jul 2016 #37

First, I'm not making any judgment about whether Gray's life matters TeddyR Jul 2016 #38

Maybe... TipTok Jul 2016 #43

All exonerated of ALL CHARGES? Even the lessor ones. Come on. brush Jul 2016 #45

What can you prove? TipTok Jul 2016 #47

You can't prove anything if the judge doesn't think so brush Jul 2016 #48

Uh huh... TipTok Jul 2016 #53

Yeah, that judge brush Jul 2016 #62

Mosby took a calculated risk... TipTok Jul 2016 #71

The criminal justice system protects killer cops. brush Jul 2016 #72

Are you suggesting that they should be held to a different standard of proof... TipTok Jul 2016 #74

Maybe the cops knee on his neck fucked him up. Rex Jul 2016 #39

That's kind of the point... TipTok Jul 2016 #44

This is so very sad and frustrating. KMOD Jul 2016 #40

As a lawyer buddy melm00se Jul 2016 #63

This is a culpability shell game. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #76